Trumpet with cornet mouthpiece (and adaptor) vs. a cornet

LaggsZ · Regular Member Joined: 29 Jan 2019 Posts: 57

I did a search because I know this answer to my question is in already here somewhere, but I couldn't find it.

I saw a guy online play a trumpet with a cornet mouthpiece (with an adaptor) and it sounded like a cornet.

I could not find a video of someone playing a cornet vs. a trumpet with cornet mouthpiece. Is there a noteworthy difference?

If that is not the case, what is the necessity of buying a cornet if you already own a trumpet? (As opposed to just buying a mouthpiece and adaptor?)

Thanks for any information from someone with this experience.

Shifty

Andy Cooper · Posted: Thu May 09, 2024 5:21 pm Post subject:

Not to discourage discussion but here is an answer to part of your question

https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=162754

You can also purchase cornet mouthpieces with trumpet shanks - the Curry TC model or even the TF flugelhorn models. These are designed to play in tune on your trumpet.

If you would buy a British Band cornet mouthpiece - such as a Denis Wick 4 and play it on a trumpet with a T/C adapter - you would probably have trouble playing it in tune.

With the exception of some student cornets, cornets are not just trumpets with a different wrap and mouthpiece receiver. They generally have slightly different tapers in the leadpipe and in the bell to give smoother articulations - a sweeter sound. Their design makes it difficult to produce the hammer on anvil attack that is so satisfying on trumpet - well satisfying to me - not necessarily to the director.

LaggsZ · Regular Member Joined: 29 Jan 2019 Posts: 57

Thanks, I have no gone through that thread. I guess my question boils down to whether the "pure" cornet sound is really capturable with trumpet. Sounds like the mouthpiece is "85%" (or something similar) of it. There are times I'm listening to, say, Nat Adderley and I'd have no idea...

stuartissimo · Posted: Thu May 09, 2024 9:20 pm Post subject:

Subtropical and Subpar · Posted: Thu May 09, 2024 10:50 pm Post subject:

chapahi · Posted: Fri May 10, 2024 1:21 am Post subject:

I get amazing results from the Bob Reeves the cornet/trumpet adapter, actually exceeding my expectations. It does make the tone somewhat cornet-like, which for me me means broader tone and snappy articulations but it doesn't replace the cornet.
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kehaulani · Posted: Fri May 10, 2024 9:00 am Post subject:

"With the exception of some student cornets, cornets are not just trumpets with a different wrap and mouthpiece receiver. They generally have slightly different tapers in the leadpipe and in the bell to give smoother articulations - a sweeter sound".
Agree

One caution, some mouthpieces, in order to get that darker/rounder/sweeter/whatever cornet sound on a trumpet, make alterations to the backbore and cup shape and depth. You might get a cornet mouthpiece made for cornet-for-trumpet that you think has the same dimensions, when the bore is larger, etc. Depending on what kind of player this may or may not be significant.

Did you tell us why you're asking? Practically speaking, it might effect the answer.
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Rwwilson · Posted: Fri May 10, 2024 9:22 am Post subject:

There are many different cornet sounds just as there are many different trumpet sounds. These can be produced by changes in equipment, horn and mouthpiece or, for more experienced players, by the changes that the player makes to his embouchure. My experience tells me that the same mouthpiece when used with a trumpet will not produce the same sound as when it is used with a cornet. I have compared the sound of my Olds Recording trumpet with the sound of my Recording cornet using a CG3 mouthpiece with either a trumpet or cornet shank and the cornet gives a more mellow, deeper tone even with this trumpet style mouthpiece. When I repeat the test with a Curry 2BBC cornet mouthpiece the results are similar. This deep cornet mouthpiece lowers and mellows the tone of the trumpet but not to the extent that it sounds like the cornet. I’ve come closest to getting the trumpet to sound like the cornet by using a very deep V fluegelhorn mouthpiece.

mr oakmount · Posted: Fri May 10, 2024 9:54 am Post subject:

A different way of looking at this: I like having an additional, more extreme mouthpiece with me for gigs and rehearsals.

For instance, there might be a passage in the band/orchestra where I double the (French) horns in a pianissimo passage or I have to play very softly in the low range (think opening Schumann 2nd symphony). In that case I might put a ridiculously deep mouthpiece with a wide open backbore on my trumpet.

On the other hand, when I play cornet in a brass band, I might have a medum-flat cup / long shank cornet mouthpiece with me if I need a trumpet-like sound for a passage or two.

But I would not use a trumpet with a deep mouthpiece to replace a cornet or flugel. What would be the fun in that? We want to buy MORE horns, not fewer!!!!