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kevin_soda Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2020 1:57 pm Post subject: Routine and articulation? |
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How should one consider articulation in the routine? I've been doing all breath attacks all the time unless the exercise specifically states articulation. _________________ Kevin |
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Billy B Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2020 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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It doesn't matter. _________________ Bill Bergren |
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kevin_soda Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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Problem solved! Thanks! _________________ Kevin |
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PH Bill Adam/Carmine Caruso Forum Moderator
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Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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Adam had every person pronounce the consonant in a way that was designed for them at their particular stage of development. This was true of singing as well as playing. But a major factor is that we call it “pronunciation.” We pronounce the music.
I will say that he would occasionally use the breath attack on the long tones for a few students with certain needs, but in general we pronounce the consonant at the front of notes. _________________ Bach trumpet artist-clinician
Clinical Professor of Jazz Trumpet, University of Illinois
Professor Emeritus of Jazz Studies, Indiana University Jacobs School of Music
Faculty Jamey Aebersold Jazz Workshops 1976-2019
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GeorgeB Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2020 3:46 am Post subject: |
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I like to mix them up, depending on the piece of music I am playing and which seems appropriate in a particular phrase. _________________ GeorgeB
1960s King Super 20 Silversonic
2016 Manchester Brass Custom
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Billy B Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:44 am Post subject: |
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The main point is we never rely on the tongue to start a note. Articulations happen as a result of the imagined sound. If he wanted a student to pronounce the sound in a certain way he would play it then say "Make it sound like that".
When Mr. Adam was asked where his tongue was he would reply, "In my mouth". _________________ Bill Bergren |
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zaferis Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:48 am Post subject: |
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Vary it like we do with everything else. I like a little exercise that I picked up somewhere (trickled down from Vincent DiMartino thru Nancy Taylor, I think) "Flag Tonguing".. just a simple drill to focus on articulation without disrupting tone production/air flow. But then from legato to staccato, from light to heavy, loud to soft, slow to fast, single to multiple - warming up/refreshing what will be needed or to keep the tools sharp for use another day.
I'll also second Billy B - "the tongue doesn't start the note" _________________ Freelance Performer/Educator
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Billy B Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2020 7:52 am Post subject: |
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zaferis wrote: | Vary it like we do with everything else. I like a little exercise that I picked up somewhere (trickled down from Vincent DiMartino thru Nancy Taylor, I think) "Flag Tonguing".. just a simple drill to focus on articulation without disrupting tone production/air flow. But then from legato to staccato, from light to heavy, loud to soft, slow to fast, single to multiple - warming up/refreshing what will be needed or to keep the tools sharp for use another day.
I'll also second Billy B - "the tongue doesn't start the note" |
This is NOT something Mr. Adam would recommend. _________________ Bill Bergren |
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kevin_soda Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:14 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the responses! I didn't think this thread would continue. I was satisfied with "it doesn't matter." Honestly, we need to hear that sometimes. _________________ Kevin |
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Billy B Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:23 am Post subject: |
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kevin_soda wrote: | Thanks for the responses! I didn't think this thread would continue. I was satisfied with "it doesn't matter." Honestly, we need to hear that sometimes. |
You may wish to get together with this guy. Long time student of Bob Slack and Charley Davis.
https://www.facebook.com/j.richard.carey _________________ Bill Bergren |
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PH Bill Adam/Carmine Caruso Forum Moderator
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Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:59 am Post subject: |
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Billy B wrote: | The main point is we never rely on the tongue to start a note. Articulations happen as a result of the imagined sound. If he wanted a student to pronounce the sound in a certain way he would play it then say "Make it sound like that".
When Mr. Adam was asked where his tongue was he would reply, "In my mouth". |
This.^^^^
There are several posts above that do not belong in the Adam dedicated forum. I am not going to remove them, at least not yet. However, remember that this forum is supposed to focus on the approach of Mr. Adam and his students. Billy B is one of the most knowledgeable sources on this. Some of the other commenters, not so much. _________________ Bach trumpet artist-clinician
Clinical Professor of Jazz Trumpet, University of Illinois
Professor Emeritus of Jazz Studies, Indiana University Jacobs School of Music
Faculty Jamey Aebersold Jazz Workshops 1976-2019
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PH Bill Adam/Carmine Caruso Forum Moderator
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Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:01 am Post subject: |
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Billy B wrote: | kevin_soda wrote: | Thanks for the responses! I didn't think this thread would continue. I was satisfied with "it doesn't matter." Honestly, we need to hear that sometimes. |
You may wish to get together with this guy. Long time student of Bob Slack and Charley Davis.
https://www.facebook.com/j.richard.carey |
I second that. I would also include Dan Keberle, John Harbaugh, and Jared Hall as other very knowledgeable people from this school of playing who are not far from Seattle. _________________ Bach trumpet artist-clinician
Clinical Professor of Jazz Trumpet, University of Illinois
Professor Emeritus of Jazz Studies, Indiana University Jacobs School of Music
Faculty Jamey Aebersold Jazz Workshops 1976-2019
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kevin_soda Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2020 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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From the expert guidance in this forum, I've taken some lessons from Dr. Jared Hall and they were very helpful. He got me started on the routine and helped a lot with my mindset. Perhaps it's time to get off the forum again and back the lessons? _________________ Kevin |
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