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tomba51 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:08 pm Post subject: Fabulous Brandenberg! |
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Here's a great performance of the Brandenberg 3rd movement by the Netherlands Bach Society, Neil Brough on natural trumpet. I have never heard the natural trumpet played with such a beautiful sound and spot-on intonation. I know, I know, I'm sure there are many other wonderful natural trumpet performances, but I just don't listen to too much of that style. I just remember that when natural instruments first came onto the scene, tone quality and intonation were an issue.
Incidentally, look how effortlessly Neil Brough plays. Not a hint of strain, even on the super high parts. All in all, just a wonderful performance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-K41hc0RsI _________________ Tom Barreca |
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dstpt Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 7:54 pm Post subject: Re: Fabulous Brandenberg! |
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tomba51 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 3:58 am Post subject: |
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Duh, you're right, of course that's the 1st movement. And you're also right that it's weird about the violin soloist being out front. The Netherlands Bach Society posts lots of videos and he conducts and/or is soloist in many of them, so I guess that he is just accustomed to being out in front. But you're right, it's not appropriate for him to be doing it in a piece like this where all the soloists are supposed to be equal. _________________ Tom Barreca |
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abontrumpet Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 5:15 am Post subject: Re: Fabulous Brandenberg! |
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dstpt wrote: | What is weird to me is how the Solo Violin is out front leading (and in a notably demonstrative manner...a little over the top, IMO...but maybe he "owns" the ensemble?!).
There are four solo insts. in the work: Tromba (Trumpet), Recorder (Flute), Shawm (Oboe), Violin. All are considered equal, and they are often positioned in a curved line, so that they are presented "equally." |
tomba51 wrote: | But you're right, it's not appropriate for him to be doing it in a piece like this where all the soloists are supposed to be equal. |
1. The Solo Violin is "out in front" of the other violins/continuo, NOT in front of the other soloists. The violin is never in the same frame as the recorder/flute/oboe
2. It appears to be a recording session (not a live performance) and space may have been limited/acoustical issues
3. They are all good musicians and probably discussed what was the best configuration for the recording/space
4. It is done without conductor (likely) so some physical communication with your fellow musicians is always nice |
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Gabrieli Regular Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 6:11 am Post subject: |
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Yes, it is a nice performance but it is not performed on a natural trumpet.
The player is using a 20th century finger-hole trumpet, which is something else.
If you want to here the last movement on a real natural trumpet, listen here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEJ-xcblCMo |
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tomba51 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 6:21 am Post subject: |
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Gabrieli wrote: | Yes, it is a nice performance but it is not performed on a natural trumpet.
The player is using a 20th century finger-hole trumpet, which is something else.
If you want to here the last movement on a real natural trumpet, listen here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEJ-xcblCMo |
Wow! What an amazing performance! Thanks for sharing. And it's all done one-handed without any help at all from finger holes, just the natural partials on the horn. It's amazing that he has such control over those partials which are so close together. Bravo! _________________ Tom Barreca |
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plunkett Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 11:03 am Post subject: |
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@Gabrieli: the "finger hole" trumpet is actually called a baroque trumpet. MUCH easier to get the correct intonation across the spectrum! I've heard this on a nat - even more impressive!
Pat _________________ Pat Plunkett |
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loudog Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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Can we PLEASE stop squabbling over the "natural" vs "baroque" trumpet thing with holes and without? Truth of the matter is, different parts of the world will call it different things. It's really not worth arguing about...let's focus on the music and not regional nomenclature.
Both performances are stellar. _________________ -----------------------------------------------------------------
Dr. Louie Eckhardt, trumpeter
http://www.LouieEckhardt.com
Associate Professor of Music
Hastings College |
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Brassnose Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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To start another squabble it is BrandenbUrg, not Brandenberg. Burg is castle, Berg is mountain. Brandenburg is a town and a state in eastern Germany, while Brandenberg is the name of a few (unrelated) villages, mostly across southern Germany and Austria. Sorry folks, now back on topic ![](images/smiles/icon_redface.gif) _________________ 2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
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tptptp Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 9:31 am Post subject: |
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Brassnose wrote: | To start another squabble it is BrandenbUrg, not Brandenberg. Burg is castle, Berg is mountain. Brandenburg is a town and a state in eastern Germany, while Brandenberg is the name of a few (unrelated) villages, mostly across southern Germany and Austria. Sorry folks, now back on topic ![](images/smiles/icon_redface.gif) |
Thank you, Mr. Nose.
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Brassnose Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 9:55 am Post subject: |
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![](images/smiles/icon_lol.gif) _________________ 2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
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Douglas James Regular Member
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Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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Brassnose wrote: | To start another squabble it is BrandenbUrg, not Brandenberg. Burg is castle, Berg is mountain. Brandenburg is a town and a state in eastern Germany, while Brandenberg is the name of a few (unrelated) villages, mostly across southern Germany and Austria. Sorry folks, now back on topic ![](images/smiles/icon_redface.gif) |
lol I stand corrected! 😁 _________________ Bach Strad 180S37
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