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Louise Finch Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:32 am Post subject: New Bach flugel horn being developed? |
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Hi
In checking the availability of Bach 183 flugel horns in the UK for someone, I found the following:
Last one! This line is discontinued.
Last remaining UK stock. A new Bach flugelhorn model is due for release in 2024.
Taken from:
https://www.rosehillinstruments.co.uk/p/183L/flugelhorns/vincent-bach/vincent-bach-183-flugelhorn-lacquer
I see that the Bach 183 is no longer on the Conn Selmer website, the only flugel being the Conn Vintage 1.
https://www.connselmer.com/instruments/brass/cornets-and-flugel-horns/5637169422.c
Does anyone know about the replacement Bach Stradivarius flugel horn? Will it be a 185?
All the best
Lou _________________ Trumpets:
Yamaha 8335 Xeno II
Bach Strad 180ML/37
B&H Oxford
Kanstul F Besson C
Yamaha D and D/Eb
- James R New Custom 3Cs
Flugel:
Bach Strad 183 - Bach 3CFL
Cornets:
Yamaha Neo + Xeno
Bach Strad 184ML
B&H Imperial
- Kanstul Custom 3Cs |
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AndyLott Veteran Member
Joined: 04 May 2009 Posts: 281 Location: Fort Wayne, IN
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Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:34 am Post subject: Re: New Bach flugel horn being developed? |
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A 185 is a herald trumpet. |
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Louise Finch Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:37 am Post subject: |
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Thanks very much, Andy. I obviously lol hadn't checked.
Do you know anything about the new Bach flugel in development?
Take care and best wishes
Lou _________________ Trumpets:
Yamaha 8335 Xeno II
Bach Strad 180ML/37
B&H Oxford
Kanstul F Besson C
Yamaha D and D/Eb
- James R New Custom 3Cs
Flugel:
Bach Strad 183 - Bach 3CFL
Cornets:
Yamaha Neo + Xeno
Bach Strad 184ML
B&H Imperial
- Kanstul Custom 3Cs |
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Louise Finch Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:46 am Post subject: |
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So, the Bach Stradvarius numbering system is:
180 - Bb Trumpet
C180 - C Trumpet
181 - American style cornet
182 - Old flugel with a cornet wrap
183 - Flugel
184 - Short Model cornet
185 - Herald Trumpet
186 -
187 -
188 - Bass Trumpet
I wonder whether the new Bach flugel will be a 190 series, so maybe the 193.
Take care and best wishes
Lou
189 - Long Bell Eb _________________ Trumpets:
Yamaha 8335 Xeno II
Bach Strad 180ML/37
B&H Oxford
Kanstul F Besson C
Yamaha D and D/Eb
- James R New Custom 3Cs
Flugel:
Bach Strad 183 - Bach 3CFL
Cornets:
Yamaha Neo + Xeno
Bach Strad 184ML
B&H Imperial
- Kanstul Custom 3Cs |
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huntman10 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2024 10:03 am Post subject: |
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The Bach catalogue numbers do occasionally get "recycled". The 190 number recently used was originally the small bore (0.401") Eb/D trumpet which usually had the 304 bell. _________________ huntman10
Collector/Player of Fine (and not so fine) Brass Instruments including
Various Strads, Yammies, Al Hirt Courtois, Schilkes,
Selmer 25, Getzen Eternas, Kanstuls (920 Pic, CG)
Martin Custom Large Bore, Lots Olds!, Conns, etc. |
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Louise Finch Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2024 10:20 am Post subject: |
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huntman10 wrote: | The Bach catalogue numbers do occasionally get "recycled". The 190 number recently used was originally the small bore (0.401") Eb/D trumpet which usually had the 304 bell. |
Interesting, thanks.
Take care and best wishes
Lou _________________ Trumpets:
Yamaha 8335 Xeno II
Bach Strad 180ML/37
B&H Oxford
Kanstul F Besson C
Yamaha D and D/Eb
- James R New Custom 3Cs
Flugel:
Bach Strad 183 - Bach 3CFL
Cornets:
Yamaha Neo + Xeno
Bach Strad 184ML
B&H Imperial
- Kanstul Custom 3Cs |
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AndyLott Veteran Member
Joined: 04 May 2009 Posts: 281 Location: Fort Wayne, IN
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Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2024 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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Louise Finch wrote: | So, the Bach Stradvarius numbering system is:
180 - Bb Trumpet
C180 - C Trumpet
181 - American style cornet
182 - Old flugel with a cornet wrap
183 - Flugel
184 - Short Model cornet
185 - Herald Trumpet
186 -
187 -
188 - Bass Trumpet
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180 normal trumpet
181 straight bell cornet
182 cornet wrap Flugelhorn
183 flugelhorn
184 shepherd’s crook cornet
185 herald trumpet
186 Piccolo trumpet
187 contralto trumpet
188 bass trumpet
189 Eb long bell |
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Louise Finch Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2024 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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AndyLott wrote: | Louise Finch wrote: | So, the Bach Stradvarius numbering system is:
180 - Bb Trumpet
C180 - C Trumpet
181 - American style cornet
182 - Old flugel with a cornet wrap
183 - Flugel
184 - Short Model cornet
185 - Herald Trumpet
186 -
187 -
188 - Bass Trumpet
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180 normal trumpet
181 straight bell cornet
182 cornet wrap Flugelhorn
183 flugelhorn
184 shepherd’s crook cornet
185 herald trumpet
186 Piccolo trumpet
187 contralto trumpet
188 bass trumpet
189 Eb long bell |
Thanks very much, so I'm presuming that the new flugel will be a 190 series, maybe the 193, if there is not already a 193.
Take care and best wishes
Lou _________________ Trumpets:
Yamaha 8335 Xeno II
Bach Strad 180ML/37
B&H Oxford
Kanstul F Besson C
Yamaha D and D/Eb
- James R New Custom 3Cs
Flugel:
Bach Strad 183 - Bach 3CFL
Cornets:
Yamaha Neo + Xeno
Bach Strad 184ML
B&H Imperial
- Kanstul Custom 3Cs |
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