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MultiBrass
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 Posted: Thu May 09, 2024 6:19 pm Post subject: Pistons - monel vs stainless steel & CarolBrass vs Yamah |
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Hi i see expensive end horns like carolbrass balanced that have stainless steel pistons, and others which have monel.
Im novice, so could you guys n gals tell me the difference and which is best please. What should I look for?
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CarolBrass CTR-8060H-GLS Balanced Trumpet OR Yamaha ytr-5335. Which would you choose as an adult learner and why??
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Dayton
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| Quote: | | Im novice, so could you guys n gals tell me the difference and which is best please. What should I look for? |
Stainless steel vs. Monel vs. nickel-plated is a popular topic on TH. For my money, Getzen's nickel-plated valves are "best," but any of those three from a reputable manufacturer should get you many decades of reliable performance. The key thing is to keep your horn clean and oil your valves regularly with a quality valve oil.
| Quote: | | CarolBrass CTR-8060H-GLS Balanced Trumpet OR Yamaha ytr-5335. Which would you choose as an adult learner and why?? |
I'd lean toward the Yamaha 5335, which is a more "standard" set up, but either should be fine to get you started from a playability perspective.
There are, perhaps, a few other things to consider. beyond playability. First, your local repair shop undoubtedly has easy access to Yamaha parts. Do they have access to CarolBrass parts? Second, to the extent that resale is a consideration, I'd suggest that a Yamaha instrument will generally hold its value better than a CarolBrass instrument. |
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CaptPat
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I don't believe that for a modern horn, the valve piston material is a big differentiator. Keep them clean and oiled and each will last a long time. WRT which horn I'd go with the Yamaha primarily because it will be easier to re-sell if you decide to. You should also consider a used professional-level horn, many say that the improvements found in intermediate horns are not on par with the price increase, advising players seeking to upgrade from a student horn to straight to a professional model. Plus a pro horn will be easier to re-sell than an intermediate horn.
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| CaptPat wrote: | | I don't believe that for a modern horn, the valve piston material is a big differentiator. Keep them clean and oiled and each will last a long time. WRT which horn I'd go with the Yamaha primarily because it will be easier to re-sell if you decide to. You should also consider a used professional-level horn, many say that the improvements found in intermediate horns are not on par with the price increase, advising players seeking to upgrade from a student horn to straight to a professional model. Plus a pro horn will be easier to re-sell than an intermediate horn. |
+1 (Anyone who uses Curly Howard as an avatar should be trusted implicitly.)
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Lawler Bb
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While the balanced model wouldn't be my first choice from CarolBrass, it's a very solid instrument and certainly professional level. Definitely a better playing horn than the Yamaha 5335 (just a fancied up student model).
Now, for a beginner or intermediate player it won't matter too much going with one versus the other. Yamaha parts are will be more available, but if you take care of your instrument, you won't likely need parts. The CarolBrass valves will definitely be of a higher quality and tolerances than the Chinese-made Yamaha valve block.
Resale on CarolBrass is lower than Bach, Yamaha, Schilke, etc. but it's certainly no worse than an intermediate Yamaha.
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yourbrass
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Solid advice from the posters above, go with Yamaha, generally very good instruments.
Balanced action trumpets (Olds Recording, CarolBrass, etc.) are an acquired taste - your arm, hand position is different and for some people it really doesn't work well.
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I’d never by a horn based on what the valves are made of.
I’d imagine Bach and Yamaha could use nickel, but, don’t for a reason. |
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