how can we help players who have no access to a pivot system

[hairy james]

Like I said in my previous post this is something that needs to be addressed. We have a whole forum here thats dedicated to the teachings of Dr. Donald S. Reinhardt. And a lot of times we can't answer a question fully and directly because the person asking is not really going to know exactly what we are talking about. Please believe me when I say that I'm not out to insult anyone's intelligence here, or that I want this to be an exclusive "Reinhardt students only club" I just don't want to see people getting screwed up by mis-typing themselves or doing routines that could hurt their chops if done incorrectly. When you had a lesson with Doc he spent hours going over things with you and was constantly pushing you to ask questions to make sure you understood what was going on. I do have one suggestion for this new topic; Call Dave Sheetz at (609) 652-9046 and get Doc's Encyclopedia and READ IT, then you will at least know the basics of the Pivot System and have a foundation on which we can all build. Any more Idea's? Please let me know. Chris

[bgibson]

Chris;
I am available for clinics anytime. Anyone that is interested please contact me off the list.
Several of Doc's former students have artist/clinicianships with instrument companies, which helps with the cost of travel, etc.
That is a possible solution.
WEG

[Wilktone]

Some thoughts off the top of my head:

1. Continue to spread the word about Reinhardt's teachings and how it can help brass performance and pedagogy.
2. Expand the "Reinhardt Reunion" to be more inclusive.

I'm not certain how inclusive you all are about the reunion being planned already, but just the language itself - "Reinhardt Reunion" seems to imply that it is for former Reinhardt students only. Even if that's not the case, it would be nice if a new term could be used, such as "Reinhardt Festival" or some such thing. Encourage people who've never had any exposure to Reinhardt's teachings to attend.

3. Train "second generation" Reinhardt students like myself (people who've studied from former Reinhardt students and picked up the teachings second hand) in how to pass on the knowledge and *teach* this stuff.

Having my own chops diagnosed and tweaked was great for my own playing, but as we know, each embouchure is a little unique and what worked for me isn't going to necessarily work for my students. I currently have three students working through embouchure adjustments right now, one of them through a complete switch of types. I am always challenged as a teacher on how to best help these students. Sometimes everything falls into place and I feel like the greatest teacher in the world, other times I feel like I've got no idea what I'm talking about.

4. Reprint some of Reinhardt's other books, if possible. Write some new ones based on his teaching. Write some articles.

As an aside, I have the means and will to do this, but not all the necessary knowledge. I am currently in the process of editing an interview with Doug Elliott which covers much of this, but would love to go over more with others. If you're a former Reinhardt student interested in colaborating on an article or book, particularly from a pedagogical point of view, but also from the performance angle, contact me!

5. Get more clinics and workshops in more areas of the country. I'd love to swing out east to hang out with all of you, but my current teaching schedule at remote location (rural southern Colorado) prevent me from doing so. Stuff during the summer months would be great for me, as well as stuff out in my neck of the woods.

There are a few more ideas I can think of, but I've got to get ready for a rehearsal. The jazz ensemble I direct has our dress rehearsal for our first performance tomorrow night.

Thanks!

Dave
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[bgibson]

David;
You have some great ideas.
I believe the Reinhardt Foundation is trying to get some of his books back in print.
Please feel free to contact me off list for any assistance with articles about Doc.
WEG

[BeboppinFool]

[_Don Herman]

Rich, regarding printing out-of-print books, post to TPIN. I had saved a very nice, if long, email from a lawyer/player on TPIN discussing that very issue. Unfortunately, it was lost oin The Great Computer Crash of 2001...

Bottom line: if the copyright has not expired, it is NOT legal to print more without the permission of the copyright holder. Whether it's out of print or not. This caused some consternation, but a check with the gov't office (patents, trademarks, and copyrights or some such) confirmed this tidbit. Makes little sense if it's out of print, but it's up to the copyright owner to decide if they want to publish it or not irrespective of whether people want it. The holder, and publisher, decide if it's worth while or not. In fact, there have been many cases where something is intentionally let go out of print, or only a few are made ("limited" editions) in order to run up the price and increase their value to collectors. There was a bunch of other interesting info that (for me) highlighted the differnce that often seems to exist between the legal world and the rational world. (Heinlein: "Man is not a rational animal; he is a rationalizing one." That'd be me! )

If you can confirm who holds copyright, you may be able to get permission to reprint if it's not worth it to them. Likely you will have to pay some sort of royalty or such, but that's probably not a big impediment. I was able to get permission to reprint a song from a publisher who had let it go, but it took several weeks to find the right person and get the official OK in writing. The publisher had a standard fee for granting license in such cases (It was something like $10 to make one for me, and $30 to publish a run of less than 300, I think. For the latter, there was also a per-book charge that was 5 or 6 percent of the selling price; no such charge to make a copy for myself.)

In this case, talking with a copyright person is a good idea, and in parallel you could start the legwork to find out whom holds the copyright and/or licencees... Perhaps Dave Sheetz has already done some or all of this?

HTH - Don
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"After silence, that which best expresses the inexpressible, is music." - Aldous Huxley

[Wilktone]

Hi, everyone.

[scream]

Hi Everyone,

I just want address the Reinhardt Reunion. When we initially talked about it (Dave Sheetz and I), it was going to be just that, a reunion. It has obviously become more than that at this point, and the name of the event could be putting other people off as far as attendance is concerned. One of the things we will address is a more appropriate name that will invite others to come and learn about this incredible system. This forum alone, thanks to Rich and Trumpet Herald, has done so much to further the cause of what we are trying to do.

I can't explain how important this has been for me personally as a trumpet player/ musician, to connect with people of like minds. It's a validation of what I've been working on with myself and my students. And so far, through this forum, I've met or spoken with some pretty great musicians (Rich and Chris) who are more than willing to help out other people. And that's the spirit we are realizing here. I hope that I will eventually meet more of Doc's success stories in the future.

In addition, I honestly don't know if Dave Sheetz is checking this out...but rest assured I'll be talking to him about it.

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Paul Garrett
Lawrenceville, GA


"Wherever you go....there you are."
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[spanky]

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On 2002-10-01 17:18, scream wrote:
Hi Everyone,

..... I hope that I will eventually meet more of Doc's success stories in the future.


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Paul Garrett
Lawrenceville, GA


"Wherever you go....there you are."
Buckaroo Bonzai

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how 'bout his projects??

[scream]

MOST DEFINITELY!!!!!!!
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Paul Garrett
Sandy Springs, GA

The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously.
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US politician (1911 - 1978)

[Wilktone]

I was thinking (always dangerous) about the confusion over what a pivot actually is in the topic "Now What." Even if you have access to the "Encyclopedia," a lot of Reinhartd's concepts are difficult to understand by just reading text or the drawings that are in the book.

What we really need, more so that books and articles, are multimedia presentations of the Pivot System. Web sites, utilizing photos, video and sound could help. Video tapes are great (Bill, aren't you putting one together? Would it be possible for me to get a copy of that somehow? Doug Elliott put together a film called, "The Brass Player's Embouchure" that covers Reinhardt's types). Even better might be a CD ROM book, that includes text, lots of video footage, PDF files of Reinhardt's exercises with sound files of how they sound.

Again, I have the desire to help do this, and even access to the equipment (a college teaching job has it's perks!). What I don't have right now is all the necessary knowledge and time to do this (although I get some time off later in the sememster and summer which might be possible to get started on this). I would also need help getting a hold of photographs, videos, sound files, etc. of Reinhardt's exercises and examples of the types.

Does this sound feasible? I'm very serious about this project, but would need a lot of help getting all the materials. E-mail me, or maybe even post here if you think it could provoke some relevant discussion, if you're interested in helping.

Dave
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[scream]

Dave,

I'm talking to Dave Sheetz tonight. I'll mention it to him.......

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Paul Garrett
Lawrenceville, GA


"Wherever you go....there you are."
Buckaroo Bonzai

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[spanky]

if you need to film what not to do, give me a call.