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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I love the old pricing on those. The funny thing is, the slide trumpets were first built as filler work. Tony needed something to keep people working during the slow season because he didn't want to have to lay anyone off. So he started building things like slide trumpets, trumpet lamps, brass ash tray stands, etc.... Now you're lucky if you can find one of these on ebay for under $300. I still think we should start making them again. What do you think?

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nawww .... I quit smoking, years ago.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do it Brett. Bring them back from being vintage. Maybe some re-designing on the slide and bell, but whatever.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Getzen wrote:
...I still think we should start making them again. What do you think?

Brett Getzen
I'd go for one! Novelty onstage is always an acceptable substitute for true talent...and I need all the novelty I can get my hands on...
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks as though averyone is corect on this one.
Here is a list of horns that "Satchmo" played over the years:
His first cornet: simply marked "Made in Austria" (probably made in Boehmen).
Tonk cornet/Chicago that he played on the riverboats.
A York cornet/Grand Rapids - (from Joe Oliver);
Then he got a Harry B. Jay Columbia Cornet with a #19 trumpet leadpipe/mpc (Oliver Creole Jazz Band)
Later switched to a Blessing Super Artist cornets.
Switched to Buescher 10-22R trumpet for his Hot five/seven recordings.
A new Conn 56B given to him by a friend in Chicago.
His next and most favored horn was a Selmer Challenger,ie balanced forward to Grand Prix with a #19leadpipe.
(3 of his horns are still at his home in Corona Nyc.)
Martin Troubadour trumpet (in the 1932 film "Rhapsody in Black and Blue")
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bret, Getzen makes some quality horns-I would rather see your company spend the time on educating the people-players on your quality and listening to those who feel there are needs to enhance your horns, especially the trumpets and cornets, rather than a slide novelty trumpet.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 3:27 pm    Post subject: Did Louis ever play a Couesnon Tuxedo? Reply with quote

I have seen a reference elsewhere, from a trumpet player/owner, stating that Armstrong also played on a Couesnon Tuxedo model, a very rare Art Deco styled horn that apparently was designed to compete with horns such as the Conn 40B and 48B Connqueror. Here is a picture of one in my collection:

If it's true that Louis played one of these, I guess I'll keep it!


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a 1922 Harry B Jay cornet- it is now in the hands of Wild Bill Barr in Richmond getting played regularly in a Dixieland band.[/img]
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 4:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Did Louis ever play a Couesnon Tuxedo? Reply with quote

excelsiorcornetband wrote:


Way cool horn Jeff!


Check out this site for player/horn combinations. You'll find Louis listed with his equipment.

http://abel.hive.no/trumpet/playerhorn/

In the late 20's early 30's he used a CONN 56B

http://www.xs4all.nl/~cderksen/Conn56B1931image.html

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recently looked over one of his horn for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame while it was on display at Christie's. It was a gold plated Selmer 19A.

http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/lot_details.aspx?from=searchresults&intObjectID=5144762&sid=fa53a452-ad0e-4c0c-b575-21db6c2541f5
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is that Tarnish on there?? I didn't think Gold Plate did that??
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Original case? No self-respecting 14 year-old would be caught dead using a case that old....
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, the horn is gold plated. It had not been used in many years and was stored poorly.

The case was not the original case, but rather an early Martin case. The mouthpiece that was with the horn was a Mt. Vernon Bach 5B.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

skootchy wrote:
Is that Tarnish on there?? I didn't think Gold Plate did that??

Goldplating is electroplated over a base of silverplate; the silverplate will tarnish through the goldplate. It can be polished out in the same manner as silverplate, with a very gentle liquid silver polish such as Wright's.

I was aware of most of Armstrong's trumpet models; some early pictures show him with a Selmer balanced model that is apparently based on the Radio Improved. It has a streamlined RH fingerhook much like that on the Conn Vocabell Connquerors. I have seen a few of these with "Louis Armstrong Model" engraved along the side of bell.

I'm still looking for photographic corraboration of the statement that he played a Couesnon Tuxedo model; so far no luck; any info from TH'ers would be most appreciated.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

theres a yamaha he played on in the jazz museum in KC, along with a plastic sax played by parker
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Louie played the Selmer 19A and he always favored a double cup mp. It was also a VERY wide ID.

Don Goldie who was very close to Louie swears that Louie also played a trumpet called an "OHM" in the 1960's. He said that it looked exactly like a balanced selmer.

Does anybody know anything about an "OHM" trumpet?

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

aj.lee77 wrote:
theres a yamaha he played on in the jazz museum in KC, along with a plastic sax played by parker


I remember that i was there
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The person to ask would be John Chilton. When he wrote his biography of Louis he met up with him and had alook through his trumpet case. He was just playing on the standard selmer mouthpiece that came with the trumpet (at that time at least).
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GordonH wrote:
Louis played a 19A narrow bore mainly.

Here is some evidence:

http://rouses.net/satchmo/glasser.htm


Gordon H , You are absolutely right , he played the small bore version,
I stand corrected.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The following was taken from Parduba's advertisement; "Name players such as Ziggy Elman and Ray Anthony started using the Parduba and in 1943 Louis Armstrong joined the club. The entire trumpet sections of several name bands were using these fine mouthpieces." Apparently Louis played a Parduba, at least for a while.
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