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rhatheway Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 6:42 am Post subject: Is one in-bell trumpet stand as good as another? |
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Coming back to playing my trumpet after a long time off, I realized that there are now in-bell trumpet stands that make it much easier to set your horn down. The last trumpet stand I had was from about 50 years ago and it was a tall, silver metal stand that stood the trumpet up about two feet high or so (making it easy to accidentally knock over). These new in-bell stands basically let you balance the horn on its bell, but on a stand that provides stability.
In my trumpet section literally every person had a different one, so I'm curious, is there one of these in-bell stands that is better than another? Other than providing a stable platform and supporting the horn, and not scratching up the inside of the bell, is there anything else really to look for when choosing one? _________________ Richard H
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Ronnman Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 7:47 am Post subject: |
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rhatheway - I have the 5-leg K&M trumpet stand. I like the stability and storage option. IF desired, you can store it inside the trumpet bell, within most cases. I chose not to do this for concern of denting or scratching my horns. See attached link.
Ron
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 8:59 am Post subject: |
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When I was gigging regularly, I also used the K&M. And, for me, never any dents in the bell, where I routinely carried it. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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GizB Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 9:48 am Post subject: |
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K&M is probably the gold standard. I have both a 3- and 5-leg version. I don't detect any difference in stability. I also have a knock-off which is not bad, but it gets lightly stuck in the bell of my C tpt when I pull it off, which makes it OK for my studio, but not for gigs. |
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rhatheway Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:50 am Post subject: |
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Thanks all. Sounds like K&M gets high marks, so I'll check them out. _________________ Richard H
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luckej Regular Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 11:05 am Post subject: |
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Avoid the 3-legged ones, they may not wobble but they're more prone to tipping over. Ask me how I know. _________________ 1971 Yamaconn cornet (my comeback horn)
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Brassnose Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 11:17 am Post subject: |
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K&M. Been using it since 1990 or so. Initially had the three leg variety, went to five legs when they came on the market. Never looked back. _________________ 2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
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Andy Cooper Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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k&M 5 leg. |
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Jerry Heavyweight Member
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LittleRusty Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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From what I knew back in the seventies and eighties the taller stand made by Hamilton was the gold standard. I gave mine away when I got my first K&M mainly due to the storage space required to store the Hamilton.
I’ve regretted it since the current Hamilton stands are more cheaply made.
But for gigs where I perform seated the K&M is my go to. |
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Andy Cooper Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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Of course, if you do most of your playing standing - then the Hamilton stand but for trombone. That worked well for me for a few years. |
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LittleRusty Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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Andy Cooper wrote: | Of course, if you do most of your playing standing - then the Hamilton stand but for trombone. That worked well for me for a few years. |
The Hamilton trombone stand with a trumpet stand topper in my case. |
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Brassnose Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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Standing or seated doesn’t matter to me. I only use the K&M. I’ve always found those taller stands to be less stable (never used a Hamilton - hard to come by over here). _________________ 2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
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1989 Kühnl & Hoyer Model 15 flugel
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rhatheway Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2024 5:09 am Post subject: |
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I'm keeping my old Hamilton stand (hey, it's probably considered an antique now!) for in my office where I practice. I've had that stand since my junior high days, so it's been around with me on a lot of concerts. But for rehearsals and concerts now I've bought a couple 5-leggers to use with my horns, because I agree, they really do provide more stability for the horn.
The best of both worlds... _________________ Richard H
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Working on getting my chops back...
“Without music, life would be a mistake” ― Friedrich Nietzsche
1958 Conn Director 14A
1968 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
1977 Reynolds Medalist CR-58
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Dayton Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2024 6:09 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | is there one of these in-bell stands that is better than another? |
I think some designs are better than others. Three-leg stands seem inherently less stable than five-leg stands, for instance. Similarly, stands where you attach the legs or lock them in place seem more likely to result in a damaged horn that those where the legs are permanently affixed.
I've been very happy with the K&M five-leg stand, but there are others with similar designs that are probably fine as well. |
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zaferis Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2024 6:46 am Post subject: |
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Another vote for K&M 5-leg (there are knock-offs around - hit or miss on quality)
I will just add that I don't like to leave them in the bell very long - I generally get home from the gig/rehearsal and pull them out. They hold more moisture in the trumpets which promotes the "ick" growing inside. Then I forget they are there when pulling my trumpet out of the case, sending the stand flying. Fortunately, I haven't had one hit another trumpet, yet. _________________ Freelance Performer/Educator
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rhatheway Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2024 7:10 am Post subject: |
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zaferis wrote: | Another vote for K&M 5-leg (there are knock-offs around - hit or miss on quality)
I will just add that I don't like to leave them in the bell very long - I generally get home from the gig/rehearsal and pull them out. They hold more moisture in the trumpets which promotes the "ick" growing inside. Then I forget they are there when pulling my trumpet out of the case, sending the stand flying. Fortunately, I haven't had one hit another trumpet, yet. |
They hold more moisture? By that do you mean that because they're stored in the bell, the air flow is not as good as it would otherwose be, so the horn doesn't dry out from the front end like it might without a stand stored there? _________________ Richard H
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zaferis Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2024 7:35 am Post subject: |
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rhatheway wrote: | zaferis wrote: | Another vote for K&M 5-leg (there are knock-offs around - hit or miss on quality)
I will just add that I don't like to leave them in the bell very long - I generally get home from the gig/rehearsal and pull them out. They hold more moisture in the trumpets which promotes the "ick" growing inside. Then I forget they are there when pulling my trumpet out of the case, sending the stand flying. Fortunately, I haven't had one hit another trumpet, yet. |
They hold more moisture? By that do you mean that because they're stored in the bell, the air flow is not as good as it would otherwose be, so the horn doesn't dry out from the front end like it might without a stand stored there? |
Yes. If you wait and open the case a couple days later and the stand is still moist.. yuck. _________________ Freelance Performer/Educator
Adjunct Professor
Bach Trumpet Endorsing Artist
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2024 8:06 am Post subject: |
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I favor the 5-leg K&M but I wish they would modify the design to improve ventilation. I wouldn't mind if they were a bit lighter too. When I carry my triple bag with two trumpet and one flugel stand the additional weight is not trivial. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
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CaptPat Regular Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2024 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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K & M 5 leg for me. _________________ Bach Stradivarius 180S37
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