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gtr1023
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 Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 4:07 pm Post subject: 3 rim Symphonic Mouthpiece |
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Hey there!
I was wondering if anyone had suggestions for a big deep cup mouthpiece that was also in a Bach 3-rim size.
I want to use it for heavy symphonic playing.
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jeirvine
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The Curry 3BC might be good choice -
"BC Cup: The BC, or "Chicago" cup is actually a 1-piece version of the C rim combined with the Bach-style B cup. Excellent for orchestral work.".
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| Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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| As mentioned, Curry would be a good choice. You might also take a look at Stork options and Pickett two piece mouthpieces. A component system would let you fine tune backbores. |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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| jeirvine wrote: | | .... Curry 3BC.... |
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| I’ve got a mint, like new 3BC. I’d sell if interested. Just sitting here! |
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Irving
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| Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 5:38 am Post subject: |
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| Curry BC is OK but you need to be a strong player to handle it. Bach 3B, or you could try the Bach 2 family. The C cups tend to be pretty deep. |
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| Irving wrote: | | Curry BC is OK but you need to be a strong player to handle it. Bach 3B, or you could try the Bach 2 family. The C cups tend to be pretty deep. |
Bach 2 family requires a lot of strength, too. Very deep cups and low alpha angles. Curry rims are more forgiving. Also try HornTrader HT 3C and HT 3 models, Toshi MV3C, Warburton 3MD or 4MD, Schilke Symphony M3 series, Bach 3, and zillions of others.
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MrOlds
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| Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 6:35 am Post subject: |
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| James New has a nice line of 3C shaped rims in various diameters and depths with screw-on baclbores. The MD cup with the P backbore gets a massive, well balanced sound. Send him an inquiry through his website. He’s very helpful. |
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jeirvine
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Would this be for Bb or C? Bach and others make symphonic 3-rim pieces designed for C.
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KSaufley
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I really like the GR Haefner 3HX.
It’s a 1X rim profile in the 3C size, B cup, 24 throat and GR’s #3 backbore.
It plays (for me) great, easy high register, clean articulations, great stability.
It sounds nice and solid up through the register, too.
I would say give one a go if you can get one.
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gtr1023
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| I’m currently playing on a Bach 3B with my Bb and it seems like it’s not really doing the trick. Maybe something deeper? |
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Lawler Bb
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gtr1023
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| Im looking for a broader less bright sounding piece that I can push hard and it won’t get edgy or too bright. I just want a dark big sound. |
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| gtr1023 wrote: | | Im looking for a broader less bright sounding piece that I can push hard and it won’t get edgy or too bright. I just want a dark big sound. |
What is this for exactly? Are you looking for a flugelhorn alternative mouthpiece? They do make those.
Otherwise a B cup is plenty big. For orchestral/symphony playing, you do not want a mouthpiece that is bereft of high overtones. They are essential to cutting through the mass of sound in front of you. If you're looking for a specialty piece for sweet flugel-like passages, they make hybrids |
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| abontrumpet wrote: | | gtr1023 wrote: | | Im looking for a broader less bright sounding piece that I can push hard and it won’t get edgy or too bright. I just want a dark big sound. |
What is this for exactly? Are you looking for a flugelhorn alternative mouthpiece? They do make those.
Otherwise a B cup is plenty big. For orchestral/symphony playing, you do not want a mouthpiece that is bereft of high overtones. They are essential to cutting through the mass of sound in front of you. If you're looking for a specialty piece for sweet flugel-like passages, they make hybrids |
This 1000%
The "I need a dark sound for symphonic playing" is a myth. You don't want a shrill or thin sound, but you DO want brilliance, shimmer, "brightness", resonance, etc. You're playing a trumpet, and trumpets above mf or so will create more and more brilliance as the volume increases. That's what is supposed to happen. A big, dark sound at FF doesn't exist.
Have you listened to recordings of yourself? You may hear "bright" behind the bell but things could be drastically different out front. I'll bet a lot of money that your 3B is more than "dark" enough.
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a.kemp
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The 3BC. isn't a dark sounding mouthpiece.
Just the opposite. It has highs and shimmer. At least here, in North America, orchestras want a brighter, shimmering sound. Not a dark sound. A great orchestral sound today has tons of highs. Not at the expense of core and body, though. Be careful to not confuse a bright commercial sound with a bright orchestral sound. While both will have plenty of core if produced well, they are two very different sounds.
An orchestra sound that dark, and lacking highs will sound dull, and not project as easily. |
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| Quote: | | I was wondering if anyone had suggestions for a big deep cup mouthpiece that was also in a Bach 3-rim size. I want to use it for heavy symphonic playing....I’m currently playing on a Bach 3B with my Bb and it seems like it’s not really doing the trick. Maybe something deeper? |
There are any number of options for a deep mouthpiece with a 3 rim. A Bach 3 (no letter) is one example. My recollection is that the rim is similar to a 3B, but the backbore is different. A Pickett 3SO would be another example.
You could also try experimenting with a larger rim size, backbore, throat....
Lots of variables. If you want to experiment beyond a Bach 3, I'd suggest working with a reputable mouthpiece maker like Pickett, Hammond, Warburton, Stork...to get their insights.
Having said all that: Are you an experienced player? If you are still developing as a player -- such as a comeback player still redeveloping their embouchure -- the deeper mouthpiece might hurt your development more than it helps. Also, if you aren't getting the big/rich sound you want on a mouthpiece as deep as a 3B you may be dealing with an issue that the deeper mouthpiece will only mask.
Finally, we are sometimes our own harshest critics. Is anyone else complaining about your sound? Remember that the feedback we get from our horn and from our colleague's horns does not always equal what the audience (or music director) is hearing.
Good luck! |
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I second the suggestion to try a Bach 3 (no letter) mouthpiece. I regularly play one on cornet and it has a big, full sound and is still fairly easy to play. For me, it is much easier to play than a Bach 3B.
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| gtr1023 wrote: | | Im looking for a broader less bright sounding piece that I can push hard and it won’t get edgy or too bright. I just want a dark big sound. |
I'd say try Frate. My experience thus far is that what you say. I have a 3M cornet piece and am currently trying out the 3m, 3, 106 trumpet mouthpiece.
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I highly recommend Stomvi’s DaVinci and other Flex mouthpieces - I played a 3B for a couple years, made the switch to a 3CVR and won’t look at anything else, it’s exactly what I want/need. I find the 5 series plays better (for me) on C trumpet, the DaVinci is phenomenal on Bb.
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