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J.D. Heckathorn
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My primary Bb for the last few years has been a raw brass 1929 Conn 2B with a Benge 3X leadpipe replaced/valve aligned by Jim Becker when he was with Osmun. It’s just such an easy horn to play, and surprisingly versatile for going on almost 100 years old.
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Dayton
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| My Getzen 900DLX works wonderfully for most of the playing I do. |
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Rhondo
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| Brassnose wrote: | Hey Rhondo, in fact there is a few 6Bs for sale „around me“, loosely defined. Want me to get one for you  ? |
Is there a way to glue it on a Strad for a 2-in-1 set up? |
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Brassnose
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maynard-46
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| Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 8:26 am Post subject: What is your primary Bb and why? |
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I wouldn't change my horn/mouthpiece setup for the world. 60+ years of playing at a high level I feel I have the 2 best horns I've ever played. Trumpet = Van Laar "Oriam IV" Bb and Flugel = Adams Custom "F1". These are soon to be my ONLY horns in my studio. I've decided to sell the remaining 7 instruments: 2 trumpets (Yamaha and Schilke); 3 cornets (all 3 Schilke models); and 2 flugelhorns (both Yamaha). ALL are in MINT condition!
Butch
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kalijah
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Calicchio 1s2 ML
with Bob Reeves valve alignment and Bob Reeves cylinder reinforcers on 1 and 3
Trompeta, di tutti trompeta |
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Hummelhaydn
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Yamaha YTR 9335CHS gen 3 xeno
Great horn.
Intonation is great, easier to play than my Bach 72 and Bach 43 Bbs.
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YTR9335CH genIII Xeno
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Bach Strad ML 43 1975
Bach Strad ML 72 1980s’
Bach Strad CL 25A 229 98xxx
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acritzer
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Powell Classic II. It's the only one I own.
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Louise Finch
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All very interesting, thanks.
Please keep them coming.
Take care and best wishes
Lou
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Trumpets:
Yamaha 8335 Xeno II
Bach Strad 180ML/37
B&H Oxford
Kanstul F Besson C
Yamaha D and D/Eb
- James R New Custom 3Cs
Flugel:
Bach Strad 183 - Bach 3CFL
Cornets:
Yamaha Neo + Xeno
Bach Strad 184ML
B&H Imperial
- Kanstul Custom 3Cs |
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Over de Hill
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My go to is a Mt. Vernon Bach Vindabona ... It does everything I ask of it. It plays very evenly, has a full timbre and opens up well above the staff. I find it easier to finesse than my other horns. Plus, it is very responsive to different mouthpieces, reminding me a little of a chameleon. True, it does require more energy to play, but I need the exercise anyway.
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Rhondo
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The innovation in trumpet design thgese days is amazing!😻
Have Monette and Harrelson seen this ? |
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Seymor B Fudd
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1970-2020 King Super 20 Symphony DB. Why?: played a lot of high class horns at the dealer´s and chose the King; I liked the sound and overall versatility. A velvet sound but fiery when pushed. Lead and everything else.
2020 - Yamaha 6335 RC. Why? More easy to play, the perfect resistance for my present "body state". Really helps me, warm yet sparkling sound.
A better fit for me than the Yamaha LA I model which I also tested. although the LA had a somewhat bigger sound spectrum.
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Manuel de los Campos
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Antoine Courtois mod. Delmotte C for C-trumpet, Hirschbrunner Crown for Bb.
Both bright sounding horns, I don't believe in dark sounding horns; if I need one I'll take my Schenkelaars Prestige flugelhorn
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spitvalve
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It's complicated. I love them both. The Getzen is my daily driver because I love how it zings and screams. But I usually play the Bach in public because it's a better all-around horn. Not gigging much these days so mostly play for fun. The Getzen is fun.
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1977 Getzen Eterna 895S Flugelhorn
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Man Of Constant Sorrow
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A close toss-up, between my (s/n 94xxx) F. Besson MEHA (large-bore, "Melk'd") ... and my 1st year production Conn 28A (Connstellation long-cornet).
The Conn 28A, by a nose, wins the trophy.
Must say, however ... the fact I generally use ONE mouthpiece for almost all my playing (Trumpet, Flugel, Cornet), via custom adapters ... is a formidable component. It's THE ONE Miles Davis used in the studio, to make the "Sketches Of Spain" album. Given to me by my neighbor, Teo Macero, who was Miles' producer. It is a "keeper". Can do authentic Chet, Herbie Alpert, Botti tones, others ...and, of course ... MILES. An AMAZING mouthpiece! Should someday be in some kind of "Hall Of Fame" or museum.
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Subtropical and Subpar
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My primary B flat trumpet is the Kanstul 991 in my signature. It's a near-copy of the Conn Connstellation 38B: the teeny .439 bore coupled with the wide wrap, a bell slightly larger than the Conn's (5 1/4 inches, I think), copper leadpipe, point-to-point bracing, etc. The key differences to my mind are the Kanstul is silver plated, not nickel, and has Monel valves instead of the stainless or stainless-coated valves Conn used. The net result is the Kanstul weighs notably less than any of the 38Bs I've had the opportunity to play, and I think that pays off in flexibility.
Why is it my primary? It's the easiest to play. I can play forever on the thing (relatively speaking) without getting fatigued. 4 set gigs where I'm the only trumpet? Not a problem on the Kanstul. I would be fair on destroyed if on my other horns I chalk the endurance up to the small bore / wide wrap combination being a more efficient blow, but maybe it's some other aspect of the trumpet? And as always, what is gold for Trumpet Player A might be dross for Trumpet Player B, and vice versa.
The other big reason I favor the Kanstul is the range. Notes that are a reach or aspirational for me on my other B flat trumpets are quite accessible on the Kanstul.
The downside is the timbre of the Kanstul is, like the Connstellations of old, somewhat... atypical or complex, and it doesn't really blend all that well in a section of Bachs or Yamahas, so when I'm in a concert band or other venue that is desirous of a "typical" trumpet sound I stick to the Strad or the King.
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1936 King Liberty No. 2 trumpet
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1962 Reynolds Argenta LB trumpet
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Rhondo
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Into my 3rd month coming back, I was feeling the best so far tonight on the Bach. Super clear tones with zip. I focus 95% on that horn, but having the Ambassador now as a spare, sitting on its case in front of me, I feel obligated to pick it up even if just for a minute.
My lip felt so good on the Bach, then I picked up the Ambassador, and it didn’t disappoint. The seller had advertised it as a 1 in 20 player. I’m unable to confirm, but he could be right. It’s not just a competent back-up. It can scream if you let it. The hype is real! |
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Louise Finch
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| Rhondo wrote: | Into my 3rd month coming back, I was feeling the best so far tonight on the Bach.
Great news!
Super clear tones with zip. I focus 95% on that horn, but having the Ambassador now as a spare, sitting on its case in front of me, I feel obligated to pick it up even if just for a minute.
My lip felt so good on the Bach,
Great!
then I picked up the Ambassador, and it didn’t disappoint. The seller had advertised it as a 1 in 20 player.
Sorry I have no idea what this means. 1 in 20 player? Best out of around 20 the seller has played?
I’m unable to confirm, but he could be right. It’s not just a competent back-up. It can scream if you let it. The hype is real!
That all sounds good. I've never played an Ambassador trumpet, only a later Olds Special cornet, which was a solid, reliable player.
Take care and best wishes
Lou |
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Trumpets:
Yamaha 8335 Xeno II
Bach Strad 180ML/37
B&H Oxford
Kanstul F Besson C
Yamaha D and D/Eb
- James R New Custom 3Cs
Flugel:
Bach Strad 183 - Bach 3CFL
Cornets:
Yamaha Neo + Xeno
Bach Strad 184ML
B&H Imperial
- Kanstul Custom 3Cs |
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Louise Finch
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| shofarguy wrote: | Hi, Lou! I hope it's not too late to wish you a Happy New Year! There, I did it anyway.
Hi Brian
Of course it is not too late. Happy New Year to you also.
I have had my copper new-spec Wild Thing for a little over 10 years now.
I remember you getting your original one and new one.
I haven't played a lot in those years, up until about two years ago when I joined a local college based Community Concert Band. It was fun and I played in that group for about 3 semesters, I think. This past year, I haven't been playing at all, really, because of some momentous things happening in my family and changes that are leading me into a season of writing.
I really hope that this is momentous in a positive way, and that nothing is wrong, and nobody is ill. I wish you every success with your writing.
However, I still prefer my Wild Thing. There have been other interesting trumpets along the way, such as the Edwards X-13 which has been prevalent on these threads recently,
I'd like to try one of these.
and others like the Bach 1 Commercial that I found really exciting to play. The Shires CVLA-L was probably the best all around modern trumpet I've sampled. But then I sit down with my WT and the sound is just soooooo good.
Yes, it's very much louder that the typical trumpet in a concert band section, no matter how much I try to be good. Yes, it can be hard to play accurately at those low volumes, but is the sound and overall delight worth putting up with all of that? Wouldn't I rather grab something like the other players use? Yes to the first and no to the second.
The Wild Thing as always sounds great. Sadly I've never had a chance to play one, and I imagine that now Flip is retired, everyone is hanging on to theirs.
Take care and look after yourself.
Lou |
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Trumpets:
Yamaha 8335 Xeno II
Bach Strad 180ML/37
B&H Oxford
Kanstul F Besson C
Yamaha D and D/Eb
- James R New Custom 3Cs
Flugel:
Bach Strad 183 - Bach 3CFL
Cornets:
Yamaha Neo + Xeno
Bach Strad 184ML
B&H Imperial
- Kanstul Custom 3Cs |
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Louise Finch
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Thanks very much everyone. I'm really enjoying reading your replies. I'm not replying, as there is nothing really to say, other than I'm really glad that you love your individual primary Bbs, and the variation between them is very interesting.
Take care and best wishes
Lou
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Trumpets:
Yamaha 8335 Xeno II
Bach Strad 180ML/37
B&H Oxford
Kanstul F Besson C
Yamaha D and D/Eb
- James R New Custom 3Cs
Flugel:
Bach Strad 183 - Bach 3CFL
Cornets:
Yamaha Neo + Xeno
Bach Strad 184ML
B&H Imperial
- Kanstul Custom 3Cs |
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