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benzo277 New Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2024 11:50 pm Post subject: Selmer K-Modified 3rd valve water key assembly |
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I was wondering if anyone could post their selmer k-modified 3rd valve water key assembly. I have not been able to find an adequate picture of one. I can not figure out for the life of me how the spring is supposed to go back into the housing. For reference, this is a 1961 model before they added the trigger on the first valve slide.
Any help is appreciated and thanks in advance. |
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Divitt Trumpets Heavyweight Member
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Ronnman Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2024 7:22 am Post subject: |
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benzo277 - see the YouTube link below. It may be of some help, but the video is shaky in places. You may gather some addition details.
Ron
https://youtu.be/IpTGY8ic9Ms?si=lBIGdJ-lwcERVqjE _________________ Martin Committee #2 1954
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plankowner110 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2024 11:00 am Post subject: |
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Good luck trying to re-install the third slide water key spring that has already been snipped. Water key springs have long spring tails which are snipped close to the assembly AFTER the spring and water key is installed. It is just about impossible to bend the short snipped tails of an old spring into position without scratching the instrument. (I've installed hundreds of water key springs in a full service repair shop,) A repair tech can install a new spring for minimal charge. _________________ C. G. Conn 60B Super Connstellation
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Divitt Trumpets Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2024 11:03 am Post subject: |
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plankowner110 wrote: | Good luck trying to re-install the third slide water key spring that has already been snipped. Water key springs have long spring tails which are snipped close to the assembly AFTER the spring and water key is installed. It is just about impossible to bend the short snipped tails of an old spring into position without scratching the instrument. (I've installed hundreds of water key springs in a full service repair shop,) A repair tech can install a new spring for minimal charge. |
Bend a piece of model train brass tubing into a U shape and insert the short legs into the tube. Now you can easily install short springs, like trombone trigger springs, or waterkey springs for instruments with unusual springs that aren't commonly carried in a shop. _________________ www.divitt-trumpets.com
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yourbrass Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2024 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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New springs for Selmer waterkeys are discontinued, you'll have to have one made. _________________ "Strive for tone." -John Coppola
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yourbrass Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2024 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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Here you go:
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I got the last two that Conn-Selmer had a couple of years ago:
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benzo277 New Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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Update for anyone curious. Took it to a minor tune up and had them make a new one. I was able to get the old spring in the groove but the spring would not keep the water key closed which lead to it flopping open just from my blowing. |
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yourbrass Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2024 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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The angle of the spring is all-important to it working.
The old spring may not have enough "oomph" to keep it shut.
The person making the spring for you may have to do some experimenting- I use a Yamaha spring cut in half to start, then alter it as needed.
Good Luck _________________ "Strive for tone." -John Coppola
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