Looking for a horn similar to a Yamaha Miyashiro

[Kaelos]

Looking to find a similar horn to my Yamaha Miyashiro, but with a bit more resistance in the leadpipe. I love the ultra-lightweight construction and the extra large bell but the reverse leadpipe isn't quite doing it for me. I was thinking something like a Flip Oakes Wild Thing would maybe do the trick, but I wanted some more opinions.[/code]

[huntman10]

Ever think of using a little tighter backbore or smaller orifice on your mouthpiece?
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[Kaelos]

[Divitt Trumpets]

Have a repair tech flip the top leg of the tuning slide and put the brace forward if you think it's specifically the reverse slide that you don't like.
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[Kaelos]

[OldSchoolEuph]

This will sound crazy, but hear me out. This trick has been used by many - including Vincent Bach and Larry Ramirez.

To add resistance, add turbulence in a position that will allow stabilization ahead of the tuning slide break and bend. To do this, insert a small tube stub into the leadpipe about 3" back from the end (so still within the cylindrical portion). Before actually installing brass, you can mock this up with a thin o-ring. The effect will be a little more pronounced, as an o-ring will still be more disruptive than the thin wall of a brass sleeve, but you can see if you like it. This can always be reversed for resale by the same skilled tech that you will want to do it in the first place.

You will want to carefully check intonation. Every horn is a little different and tinkering anywhere in this zone can throw that off.
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[Kaelos]

Thank you, I'll give this a try!

[ldwoods]

Confused by your statements. 1) you want more resistance, 2) then you write "thinking something like a Flip Oakes Wild Thing would maybe do the trick".
That strikes me as contradictory. I have a Wild Thing, which is quite free blowing, even with the smaller tuning slide installed. I also have a Schilke B6, which I would think\assume plays something like your Yammie (lighter and brighter than your average trumpet).
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[kehaulani]

Have you played a Yamaha Bobby Shew?
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[Kaelos]

[kehaulani]

[Jaw04]

If you're looking for a new horn, Kehaulani's suggestion of the 8310Z is the closest you will get to an answer for a more resistant version of the Miyashiro. They have a ton of features in common.

I'd suggest experimenting more with mouthpiece. For the price of a new horn, you can get a ton of mouthpieces to tinker with. I recently got a used Miyashiro after years of playing the Shew. Fortunately I'm playing AR Resonance mouthpiece tops and backbores and have 3 different backbores: small, medium, and large. I was using a medium backbore on the Shew and switching to the Small backbore on the Miyashiro felt more dialed in for me. I kept the same top so it didn't change the feel on my face.

[Brassnose]

Personally I’d try Ewan Divitts suggestion, just for the heck of it.

On the other hand, it seems we’re only discussing new horns here. How about vintage? My 6B could be along the lines of what you are looking for - it’s an open horn but on going higher some resistance seems to kick in which helps me with the upper register. So, what if you combine that with a little tighter mouthpiece?
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[a.kemp]

How about the new EM, the 8330EM?

Supposed to be a little more to blow against vs the original model.

[matthes93401]

[Goby]

[adagiotrumpet]

What about a Schilke B7? Medium bore with a large bell and Schilke quality. Comparing a Yamaha Miyashiro and a Wild Thing is like comparing a Ferrari and a freight train.