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trpt2honk Regular Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2023 9:01 am Post subject: "I call this balance; others may call it embouchure.&qu |
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Those of you who are more familiar with Caruso than I am, I'm interested in your thoughts on his use of the word balance. How literally should we take his meaning? _________________ Mike Berry
Columbia, SC
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bagmangood Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2023 11:38 am Post subject: |
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FWIW there is a dedicated Caruso sub-forum where you may get more Caruso-specific answers.
I've always taken the phrase to be a callout to the fact that trumpet playing is not a purely muscular/strength-based endeavor. Caruso exercises are intended to teach the player where the notes are on the horn and you end up understanding the appropriate balance of air/strength/whatever to get the note to sound as you need to.
Your mileage will vary _________________ More than one trumpet
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JayKosta Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2023 11:52 am Post subject: |
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Does substituting the word 'coordination' or 'coordinate' for 'balance' of any value?
'balance' might be thought of as meaning 'equal amounts', where 'coordinated' might be 'in appropriate amounts'.
It would be helpful if you could provide an example of how 'balance' was used. _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'. |
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trpt2honk Regular Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2023 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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The quote was directly from the first exercise in the Carouso book. I am thinking that balance literally refers to the balance between pressure on the left side of the face versus pressure on the right side of the face or muscular effort on both sides of the face JayKosta wrote: | Does substituting the word 'coordination' or 'coordinate' for 'balance' of any value?
'balance' might be thought of as meaning 'equal amounts', where 'coordinated' might be 'in appropriate amounts'.
It would be helpful if you could provide an example of how 'balance' was used. |
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bagmangood Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2023 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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trpt2honk wrote: | The quote was directly from the first exercise in the Carouso book. I am thinking that balance literally refers to the balance between pressure on the left side of the face versus pressure on the right side of the face or muscular effort on both sides of the face |
Definitely does not have to do with distributing pressure - I highly recommend you read through the sticky threads in the Caruso forum. _________________ More than one trumpet
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PH Bill Adam/Carmine Caruso Forum Moderator
Joined: 26 Nov 2001 Posts: 5861 Location: New Albany, Indiana
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2023 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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In part, he used the word balance because the lips are often given disproportionate importance in a playing system that uses hundreds of muscles throughout the body and it is the synchronization of those moving parts that makes for good playing, not only the facial muscles. _________________ Bach trumpet artist-clinician
Clinical Professor of Jazz Trumpet, University of Illinois
Professor Emeritus of Jazz Studies, Indiana University Jacobs School of Music
Faculty Jamey Aebersold Jazz Workshops 1976-2019
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peanuts56 Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2023 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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I studied on and off with one of Carmine’s success stories for a number of years. I also spent a year or so with Carmine.
I never recall either one using the term balance.
Jay Kosta mentioned the term coordination. While I never heard them use that term, it seems to be more in line with how I view Caruso. |
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mograph Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 7:16 am Post subject: |
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PH wrote: | In part, he used the word balance because the lips are often given disproportionate importance in a playing system that uses hundreds of muscles throughout the body and it is the synchronization of those moving parts that makes for good playing, not only the facial muscles. |
Whether or not this is what Caruso meant, I wholeheartedly agree with the intention. The body works multiple components in synchronization. _________________ 1985 Bach 37
1980 King 601 (it's bulletproof!)
1978 Couesnon flugelhorn
Playing for fun since 1979.
Fmr member 48th Highlanders of Canada Mil Band
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Mark Leccese Regular Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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I was taught air + vibration = balance. That may be a different way of saying what PH said about "the synchronization of those moving parts that makes for good playing, not only the facial muscles." _________________ -- Mark L. from Boston
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