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Billy B Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2022 3:00 pm Post subject: The Inner Game |
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In chapter 4 Gallwey describes why playing tennis is simple but not easy. If someone thinks about which muscles they need to use they will overcompensate. This is why it is important to let yourself hit the ball instead of trying to hit the ball. Gallwey describes why it is important to not overthink when you are learning. Self 2 learns by watching first, then doing. If you start to judge yourself it will keep you from letting yourself learn.
As a trumpet player it is important to always think of the sound in your mind even if the sound you are producing does not match. With more repetitions the issues in your playing will eventually fix themselves. _________________ Bill Bergren |
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Croquethed Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2022 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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A humorous and similar analogy from the 1970s:
Skier #1 gets to the top of the mountain on a trail harder than he has ever skied before and tries to analyze his every turn and shift of weight.
Skier #2 gets to the top of the mountain on a trail harder than he has ever skied before and realizes he has left his wallet with $200 and a gram of coke in it on the cafeteria table.
Ski like Skier #2. Play trumpet similarly. |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2022 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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What?" "Lead with the mind and the body will follow"?
Bodhidharma 500/600 C.E.
What a concept. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
"I wouldn't play like Wynton Marsalis even if I could play like Wynton Marsalis." Attributed to Chet
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Heis New Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2024 5:48 am Post subject: Re: The Inner Game |
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Billy B wrote: | In chapter 4 Gallwey describes why playing tennis is simple but not easy. If someone thinks about which muscles they need to use they will overcompensate. This is why it is important to let yourself hit the ball instead of trying to hit the ball. Gallwey describes why it is important to not overthink when you are learning. Self 2 learns by watching first, then doing. If you start to judge yourself it will keep you from letting yourself learn.
As a trumpet player it is important to always think of the sound in your mind even if the sound you are producing does not match. With more repetitions the issues in your playing will eventually fix themselves. |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2024 7:18 am Post subject: |
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Adam?
Try Zen in the Art of Archery, the basis, IMO, of several regurgitated "mastery" books. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
"I wouldn't play like Wynton Marsalis even if I could play like Wynton Marsalis." Attributed to Chet
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JayKosta Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2024 9:06 am Post subject: Re: The Inner Game |
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Heis wrote: |
Just as in tennis, where players are encouraged to let their bodies do
what they have learned
without the interference of an overly analytical mind, trumpet players can benefit from focusing on the sound they intend to produce rather than the mechanical aspects of their technique. |
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The 'learning' part is critical - as well as awareness of whether it is achieving the desired results.
If the desired results are not obtained, then it is beneficial to review what has been learned. Was the 'right stuff' taught, was it learned, it is being done correctly, etc.
Physical actions are a process of 'doing' - intentions are necessary to activate the doing.
A good teacher ought to be able to guide both the learning and the doing. _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'. |
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abontrumpet Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2024 1:03 pm Post subject: Re: The Inner Game |
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Billy B wrote: | In chapter 4 |
I'm curious what you think about Chapter 7 particularly the section called "Feeling." |
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kehaulani wrote: | Adam?
Try Zen in the Art of Archery, the basis, IMO, of several regurgitated "mastery" books. |
One of Mr. Adam's required readings! _________________ Bach trumpet artist-clinician
Clinical Professor of Jazz Trumpet, University of Illinois
Professor Emeritus of Jazz Studies, Indiana University Jacobs School of Music
Faculty Jamey Aebersold Jazz Workshops 1976-2019
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Trumpjerele Veteran Member
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Adams, Caruso and Balanced Embouchure share this philosophy of letting the body learn on its own.
Each primarily uses a different guide: Sound, coordination and movement. _________________ Notice!!! Amateur musician without formal studies
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Mouthpiece: the great Yamaha11b4
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Billy B Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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Trumpjerele wrote: | Adams, Caruso and Balanced Embouchure share this philosophy of letting the body learn on its own.
Each primarily uses a different guide: Sound, coordination and movement. |
No _________________ Bill Bergren |
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Bájoc Music Regular Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2024 4:53 am Post subject: Re: The Inner Game |
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Billy B wrote: | In chapter 4 Gallwey describes why playing tennis is simple but not easy. If someone thinks about which muscles they need to use they will overcompensate. This is why it is important to let yourself hit the ball instead of trying to hit the ball. Gallwey describes why it is important to not overthink when you are learning. Self 2 learns by watching first, then doing. If you start to judge yourself it will keep you from letting yourself learn.
As a trumpet player it is important to always think of the sound in your mind even if the sound you are producing does not match. With more repetitions the issues in your playing will eventually fix themselves. |
I love this subject, and I thought I would further add to this discussion on Timothy Gallway's "The Inner Game of Tennis". I put together a two-part blog post not too long ago on Gallwey's Inner Game and writings from Herbert L. Clarke. You can check it out here:
https://bajocmusic.com/herbert-l-clarke-timothy-gallway-the-inner-game-of-cornet-playing/
I hope this helps!
Best regards,
Jacob _________________ https://bajocmusic.com/
I am driven to work generously in the service of others' musical creativity. |
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JayKosta Heavyweight Member
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