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cperret Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2003 8:21 am Post subject: |
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There are plenty of sites with information on what horns a trumpet player used, what mouthpieces, etc, but I've been having trouble finding more specific details. My question is this: Does anyone out there know what albums Freddie played which horns on? Thanks. |
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FlugelFlyer Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2003 9:48 am Post subject: |
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FH through the prime of his career played a Bach Mercedes II intermediate horn and the Bach 7C mouthpiece that came with it. These days, he's one of those lurkers who you never know where he is or what he's doing, but I believe he's playing a Calicchio 3-9 horn with a custom Monette mouthpiece, equivilent to a 2B I understand. Don't trust me on that though. _________________ Trumpet: Bach 180LR, 72 bell
Mouthpiece: Warburton 3XD/KT |
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adieste Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2003 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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Just goes to show ya'...it's not the horn, it's what's behind it! _________________ Trumpet: 1975 Benge CG, 1964 Martin Committee
Flugelhorn: 1963 and 1973 Olds L-12
Cornet: 1895 Conn Wonder, 1915 Buescher 57C
Pocket Trumpet: Funky No-Name Thing
Alto Sax: 1965 Buescher Aristocrat
Tenor Sax: 1956 Buffet Crampon Paris |
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cperret Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2003 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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I'd still like to know if anyone out there knows which horns were on which album... |
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Martin Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2003 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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Phew!
I doubt that even Hubbard himself could answer that question.
If there´s no photo on the cover, it´s impossible to tell, and even if there is one, you couldn´t say for sure wheter that really is the horn he used on that particular session.
On the earlier recordings (on Impulse, I believe) there are pictures of Freddie with his New York Bach Mercedes. On his 60s Blue Note albums, Hubbard is often pictured with his Conn 8B. On the inside cover of "First Light", he is holding a Martin Committee. I have a VSOP live album where he is pictured on stage with his Getzen flugel and what looks like a Getzen Eterna trumpet. I would guess he switched to Calicchio in the 80s. _________________ All the best
Martin
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"I have found that it is enough when a single note is beautifully played." - Arvo Pärt |
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cperret Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2003 6:33 am Post subject: |
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Thanks, Martin. That's as much information as I was hoping for. I was just curious and thought this would be the place to ask... cheers! |
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jazz_trpt Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 5:52 am Post subject: |
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Note that Freddie started out as a french horn player. _________________ Jeff Helgesen
Free jazz solo transcriptions! |
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Ruechel Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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who cares? he could have made a plastic horn sound great. BTW: just saw him at IRIDIUM in NYC a couple of months ago with a great nonet. unfortunately, it seems the rumors about his chop problems seem true: he played (or tried to play) flugel all night and could barely get a note out. it was a sad thing to see. the music was beautiful though. |
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deejaymushone Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2024 4:16 pm Post subject: Re: Freddie Hubbard gear |
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Freddie DEF remembered what gear he played on, & on what LPs. Richard Boulger studied with him, & recorded many of his lessons, & at one point Freddie told him, & RB wrote it down, & he showed me the list (I did not memorize it!). RB also studied w/ Jackie McLean & Donald Byrd, & currently teaches online & in person up in the Berkshires. You can also check out his music on YouTube, etc. - he kills. _________________ 1924 Besson Rapuwano
1941 Martin HCI / 1949 Committee Deluxe
1947 Chicago Benge
Conn 1929 2B / 1924 22B / 1934 8B / 1956 10B / 1967 20A / 1958 38B / 1952 48B
1965 Olds Recording
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC1993QIK7E |
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Didymus Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2024 6:18 pm Post subject: Zombie Thread |
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BTW, this thread is nearly 21 years old. _________________ Enjoy the journey. |
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deejaymushone Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2024 6:22 pm Post subject: Re: Zombie Thread |
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Didymus wrote: | BTW, this thread is nearly 21 years old. |
Bringing dead threads back to life ; ) _________________ 1924 Besson Rapuwano
1941 Martin HCI / 1949 Committee Deluxe
1947 Chicago Benge
Conn 1929 2B / 1924 22B / 1934 8B / 1956 10B / 1967 20A / 1958 38B / 1952 48B
1965 Olds Recording
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC1993QIK7E |
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wohlrab Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2024 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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I was 8 years old when this thread was fresh |
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Goby Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2024 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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He's pictured playing his NY Bach Mercedes on the album cover for "The Artistry of Freddie Hubbard" and some editions of "Ready for Freddie". I believe there's an Art Blakey record where he's holding a Couesnon trumpet with two underslung waterkeys. The photos from "Here to Stay" look like a very early Olds trumpet with a fully engraved bell. That horn also appears to be what he is holding in a photo with Hank Mobley, presumably at a recording session for the album "Roll Call". There are also photos from this era of him playing a Chicago Benge, French Besson, and a turn-of-the-century cornet. The liner notes for Herbie Hancock's "Empyrean Isles" lists "Freddie Hubbard: Cornet". Starting around 1964, he played a Conn 8B, which is pictured on the album cover of "First Light". He switched to Calicchio in 1974 and played some version of the 3 bell for the rest of his career, whether it was the 3/9 large bore, Copper Solo 3/9, or the 3 bell with some other leadpipe. I believe his last horn was an R3/2 ML, which currently resides in Josh Landress' shop. I've heard rumors that he briefly used a Martin Committee around the time that Bill Evans' "Interplay" was recorded, but I haven't been able to find any photos from this session to verify.
As for the mouthpiece, he is pictured with a Bach mouthpiece on "The Body and the Soul", and I've heard that it was a Bach 6 (no letter). His Calicchio mouthpiece was much different, and had a large inner diameter, a wide rim, and a shallow cup. |
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deejaymushone Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2024 7:07 pm Post subject: Re: Freddie’s gear |
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Goby wrote: | He's pictured playing his NY Bach Mercedes on the album cover for "The Artistry of Freddie Hubbard" and some editions of "Ready for Freddie". I believe there's an Art Blakey record where he's holding a Couesnon trumpet with two underslung waterkeys. The photos from "Here to Stay" look like a very early Olds trumpet with a fully engraved bell. That horn also appears to be what he is holding in a photo with Hank Mobley, presumably at a recording session for the album "Roll Call". There are also photos from this era of him playing a Chicago Benge, French Besson, and a turn-of-the-century cornet. The liner notes for Herbie Hancock's "Empyrean Isles" lists "Freddie Hubbard: Cornet". Starting around 1964, he played a Conn 8B, which is pictured on the album cover of "First Light". He switched to Calicchio in 1974 and played some version of the 3 bell for the rest of his career, whether it was the 3/9 large bore, Copper Solo 3/9, or the 3 bell with some other leadpipe. I believe his last horn was an R3/2 ML, which currently resides in Josh Landress' shop. I've heard rumors that he briefly used a Martin Committee around the time that Bill Evans' "Interplay" was recorded, but I haven't been able to find any photos from this session to verify.
As for the mouthpiece, he is pictured with a Bach mouthpiece on "The Body and the Soul", and I've heard that it was a Bach 6 (no letter). His Calicchio mouthpiece was much different, and had a large inner diameter, a wide rim, and a shallow cup. |
Awesome intel - ty! I wish we knew which model Olds he was using - going to check it out now // _________________ 1924 Besson Rapuwano
1941 Martin HCI / 1949 Committee Deluxe
1947 Chicago Benge
Conn 1929 2B / 1924 22B / 1934 8B / 1956 10B / 1967 20A / 1958 38B / 1952 48B
1965 Olds Recording
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC1993QIK7E |
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deejaymushone Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2024 7:42 pm Post subject: Re: Freddie gear |
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Looks like an Olds Recording ?
https://flic.kr/p/2pzzpTp _________________ 1924 Besson Rapuwano
1941 Martin HCI / 1949 Committee Deluxe
1947 Chicago Benge
Conn 1929 2B / 1924 22B / 1934 8B / 1956 10B / 1967 20A / 1958 38B / 1952 48B
1965 Olds Recording
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC1993QIK7E |
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spitvalve Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2024 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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In the mid-70's he also played a Getzen Eterna trumpet and 4-valve flugel before he went to Calicchio. On the cover of his "Windjammer" album he's clearly holding a Getzen Eterna.
I was also told he played a Schilke 13B mouthpiece. Can't verify that, but... _________________ Bryan Fields
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1991 Bach LR180 ML 37S
1999 Getzen Eterna 700S
1977 Getzen Eterna 895S Flugelhorn
1969 Getzen Capri cornet
1995 UMI Benge 4PSP piccolo trumpet
Warburton and Stomvi Flex mouthpieces |
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Goby Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2024 8:18 pm Post subject: Re: Freddie gear |
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Not a Recording. Based on the engraving, that instrument likely predates models for Olds. It may have been called a "Symphony" model in the catalog, or simply a "The Olds". Likely from the early 1930's. Speaking of Olds Recordings, Booker Little played an Olds Recording during his brief career. Freddie Hubbard and Booker Little played on Coltrane's "Africa/Brass" album, which is Coltrane's only large ensemble album. |
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deejaymushone Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2024 8:34 pm Post subject: Re: Freddie gear |
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Goby wrote: |
Not a Recording. Based on the engraving, that instrument likely predates models for Olds. It may have been called a "Symphony" model in the catalog, or simply a "The Olds". Likely from the early 1930's. Speaking of Olds Recordings, Booker Little played an Olds Recording during his brief career. Freddie Hubbard and Booker Little played on Coltrane's "Africa/Brass" album, which is Coltrane's only large ensemble album. |
They also play together on “ Slide Hampton and His Horn of Plenty”, & unlike Africa / Brass, they solo on it (!) _________________ 1924 Besson Rapuwano
1941 Martin HCI / 1949 Committee Deluxe
1947 Chicago Benge
Conn 1929 2B / 1924 22B / 1934 8B / 1956 10B / 1967 20A / 1958 38B / 1952 48B
1965 Olds Recording
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC1993QIK7E |
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Ronnman Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:25 am Post subject: |
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From website: http://www.pierrefx.com/bm/Player_horn_combinations.htm
The trumpets Freddie Hubbard player are listed below. I generally find this site to be fairly accurate.
Ron
Trumpets:
Conn Artist 8B,
Bach Mercury,
Olds Ambassador(w/pickup),
Martin Cmmittee
Getzen,
Callichio _________________ Martin Committee #2 1954
Leblanc “Al Hirt” Model 1966
Olds Custom Crafted Ultra Sonic 1974
Edwards Gen II 2014 |
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jazz_trpt Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 11:32 am Post subject: |
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Jumping in on this thread just because I posted in it about 21 years ago.
That is all. _________________ Jeff Helgesen
Free jazz solo transcriptions! |
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