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dales Heavyweight Member
Joined: 13 Nov 2001 Posts: 521 Location: Cambridge, MA
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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2002 10:49 am Post subject: |
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Can anyone recommend good methods for sightsinging, ear training and solfege? Are there any good self-study methods available? |
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Chicagoman 'Chicago School' Forum Moderator
Joined: 17 Nov 2001 Posts: 49 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2002 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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On 2002-02-11 13:49, dales wrote:
Can anyone recommend good methods for sightsinging, ear training and solfege? Are there any good self-study methods available?
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Well, you can take your Clarks Technical Studies and sing the exercises in there. It will get you used to hearing intervals and in different modes.
What I do is literally learn how to sing all of my music. I will sit at a piano and plunk out some of the notes I can't already hear, then will sing the phrase back without the piano. I strive for great intonation and phrasing. I use words for added expressiveness. I finger along on my horn, then buzz on the mouthpiece, and then play on the horn. I strive to get it right the first time, rather than hash away hundreds of times on the horn like most people.
Learning how to sight sing will prove invaluable on your ability to sight read. There are so many who just plunk down a key and blow, and expect to "hit" a note. Transposition will also become a snap with good ear training.
Go buy a college aural skills book and read it, and sing it. Sing anything you can, in any key, for whatever instrument. Including Bass Clef.
Finally, the best method on this type of study is to teach yourself. You must find the best method that works for you.
Bud Herseth is one of the best at doing "hear-play". He simply hears the sound, and produces it. That is why his styling is set apart from anyone else. Learn how express your music beyond the notes on the page.
Hope this helps,
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screamertrumpet Veteran Member
Joined: 10 Nov 2001 Posts: 170 Location: Washington State
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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2002 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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dales,
Dan is right. You can use basically anything to practice your sight-singing-transposing. I usually just use Guiseppi Concone's Complete Solfeggi because it's got some nice melodies in it. Perhaps you could use Getchel's books or the Vizzutti books as well.
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_Don Herman 'Chicago School' Forum Moderator
Joined: 11 Nov 2001 Posts: 3344 Location: Monument, CO, USA
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2002 6:37 am Post subject: |
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I don't have the book close, but I picked up a small volume on "sight singing". There were a number to choose from at my local music store; I just got the one my teacher used in college. It's a good supplement to the advice above, I think, and singing as well as playng really helps get not only the pitch but the sound you want in your mind.
FWIW - Don _________________ Don Herman/Monument, CO
"After silence, that which best expresses the inexpressible, is music." - Aldous Huxley |
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fzr Phil Veteran Member
Joined: 06 Nov 2001 Posts: 120 Location: Grays, Essex, UK
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2002 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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What is 'Solfege' ? _________________ Phil Martin
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ChopsMcgraw Veteran Member
Joined: 12 Nov 2001 Posts: 386 Location: Yuma, AZ
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2002 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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Do Ray Mi Fa Sol La Ti Do and the such.
You know, Like "Do, a deer, a female deer"
It actually helped my playing alot.
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dales Heavyweight Member
Joined: 13 Nov 2001 Posts: 521 Location: Cambridge, MA
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2002 10:36 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for all the advice. When I asked this question I was distressed about not being able to hear as well as I need to. I never addressed this part of my musical education before I quit playing to become a listener and collector for 20 years. After six months back, I'm now convinced that I have the physical makeup to play anything I want, and it's probably my ears that hold me back more than anything.
My trumpet teacher suggested taking a class. So I looked at the web page for the closest music school of repute (Longy, in Cambridge, MA). Its web site features its faculty and prattles on about its community music outreach and teacher/student relationships without ever giving a course catalog, or even any sense that it offers classes. Oh well. I'll ask friends who've studied there.
However, I've just picked up a book by Ron Gorow called _Hearing and Writing Music, Professional Training for Today's Musician_. It's a self-study course that leads you progressively through learning to hear intervals, then phrases, then transcribing. I noticed after I bought it that one of the endorsement blurbs is by Bobby Shew. I think if I can learn to hear well enough to transcribe, I'll also be able to conceive and hear phrases in my mind better, and my trumpet playing will improve. |
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bj Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2002 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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Hello
Tonic, sol-fa was commonly taught in the Welsh Chapels although I wasn't religious myself I learnt the system at secondary school (equivalent to US High School).
Also at music college I studied the Kodaly Method with Celia Vajda, a lady from Hungary who was a pupil of Kodaly.
all the best
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elbobogrande Heavyweight Member
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cybertrumpet Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2002 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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Do your self a huge favour and visit http://www.dickgrove.com
this is the best self study course on the planet for ear training. Get the "hear it, see it, play it" course. It is the best and it opened up my ears......worth looking at!!! _________________ When I think of the perfect sound, I think practice. When I think of the perfect horn, I think Schilke. |
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Garroid Veteran Member
Joined: 27 Apr 2002 Posts: 139 Location: Bamberg, Germany
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2002 5:17 am Post subject: |
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I found out in high school that I had perfect pitch, and this is what I recommend, who knows - it's free.
Close your eyes and hit a random key on the piano, and imagine what it would sound like coming out of YOUR trumpet, with YOUR unique sound. Then try to imagine what fingering generally coincides with that pitch or tamber, then take a stab at the note, open your eyes and see how close you were. On the flip side, when you practice be very critical of the tamber differences between fingerings, regardless of the note. Also work on memorizing music by getting the melody stuck in your head, and then playing that melody by ear. Marches work great for this. Pretty soon you can hear a march, and play it from 'memory' in most of the 12 keys, if not all. _________________ Gary A. Wilder |
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CBTrpt Regular Member
Joined: 14 May 2002 Posts: 14 Location: New York, NY
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2002 6:01 am Post subject: |
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Go get Manuel Pratique by Georges Dandelot. You can get it through Paetleson's in NY. If you can sing and say all of these excercises at quarter=100 you'll have helped yourself greatly. After that sing all your excercises, etudes, solos and excerpts. Have fun and never stop singing! |
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