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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:49 pm Post subject: 3rd valve slide: oil or cream or a mix? |
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Pretty fundamental question. Do you use slide cream, valve oil or both on your third valve slide? Thanks _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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trumpaholic Heavyweight Member
Joined: 02 Sep 2005 Posts: 1501 Location: Lindsay Ontario Canada
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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Hetman 4 or 6 works really well on my horns. Ultra Pure slide grease does the trick too. _________________ Have horn, will travel! |
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HERMOKIWI Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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Hetman 4 or Hetman 6. Works well and easy to apply. _________________ HERMOKIWI |
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ML52K Veteran Member
Joined: 06 Dec 2003 Posts: 148 Location: Adirondacks of NY
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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I've tried both Hetman's 4 and Ultrapure slide grease. I prefer Hetman's oil because it doesn't gob up at the end of the slides. Both work great, though. |
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Dale Proctor Heavyweight Member
Joined: 26 May 2005 Posts: 9379 Location: Heart of Dixie
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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I use Selmer slide grease and cut it with a little Blue Juice valve oil. Very slick slide operation that way, but it needs to be a slide with a stop, or it will fall off. _________________ "Brass bands are all very well in their place - outdoors and several miles away ." - Sir Thomas Beecham |
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 8921 Location: Orange County, CA
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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Bach Rotor Oil. Works great and lasts. Doesn't require any cutting or mixing. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
Charles J Heiden/So Cal
Bach Strad 180ML43*/43 Bb/Yamaha 731 Flugel/Benge 1X C/Kanstul 920 Picc/Conn 80A Cornet
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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Is Hetman's 4 the same consistency as rotor oil? I'm asking because I have rotor oil for my "French" Horn. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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DWallace Veteran Member
Joined: 15 Mar 2008 Posts: 108
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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I use Schilke slide grease and cut it with a drop or two of valve oil. _________________ Schilke S-32
Schilke M1
Rudy Muck Academy
York Super Custom Cornet
Yamaha YTR-6445HS C Trumpet
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plankowner110 Heavyweight Member
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chrisf3000 Veteran Member
Joined: 04 Jul 2004 Posts: 347 Location: Winnipeg, Canada
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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I used apply slide grease and/or anhydrous lanolin for a long time, then I discovered that "key oil" (for woodwinds) is just slightly thicker than oil, and lasts quite well. I love the consistency without having to do anything. It's as simple as adding a couple of drops - you're good to go!
For the record, I have also recently tried Hetman's "slide oil" and it's been working fairly well... I still like key oil a little better, though. Give it a try. |
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Hack001 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 20 Jun 2004 Posts: 1685
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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Schilke slide grease and two drops of Berp BioOil on each leg of the slide. After about one day it works like a valve for months. _________________ Practicing is for the insecure. |
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roynj Heavyweight Member
Joined: 19 Oct 2002 Posts: 2065
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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Also a Hetman fan here. Depending on the horn I use 4 or 5 weight slide oil. The 4 is thinner for tight slides, and the 5 is a bit heavier for normal slides. No mixing is needed and lasts a long time. If you're a typical trumpet/cornet player you will put a drop of slide oil on your 1/3 slides before each playing session. I was introduced to these wonderful slide oils by Joe Hetman himself, who is a fantastic player too by the way. |
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bryant419 New Member
Joined: 18 Feb 2012 Posts: 10
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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Another Hetman fan here as well.
I personally use #4 for my horns.
The oil itself really cleaned out any gunk that was on my slides and I generally felt that grease was too thick. _________________ - Bryan T.
Bb Getzen Eterna '85
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Leonel Leon Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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When I was given a horn just as a back up horn I found out that the man used key oil because it worked well for him. I use a combination of grease and oil. I am a big fan of selmer slide and cork grease, the red stuff. And I use it on all my slides and for my first and third I cut it with oil. More oil on third then first because it needs to be faster and also has a stop rod. With the exception of horns without a ring or saddle on the first slide. Like flugels or older horns. I usally tune with my lips. |
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jvand678 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 02 Apr 2007 Posts: 809 Location: TX
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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Chalk up another vote for Hetman light slide. The stuff is fantastic and doesn't break down like thinned down Schilke slide grease (what I used to use).
JV _________________ Joe Vandiver |
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mbradd Veteran Member
Joined: 07 May 2011 Posts: 385 Location: New Hampshire
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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Anhydrous lanolin with a bit of Ultra Pure. Lasts until I wash my slides. _________________ Adams A4 Shepherds Crook Bb
1970's Bach 37 Bb
1970's Getzen Flugel |
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stanton Heavyweight Member
Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 726 Location: Skokie, Illinois
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:56 am Post subject: |
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Schilke slide grease cut with Al Cass valve oil. Takes a little "working in", but once done is issue free.
FWIW, you can make your own slide grease by mixing anhydrous lanolin and vasoline. _________________ Schilke B1, Bach 37, 1969 Getzen Severinsen Eterna
Bach C 229 w Charlie Melk custom work
Getzen Eterna Cornet, Crappy old Yamaha 3valve Eb
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:03 am Post subject: |
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Thanks a lot for all the suggestions, I appreciate it! _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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robertgrier Heavyweight Member
Joined: 10 Oct 2008 Posts: 937 Location: Greensboro, NC
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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I use Schilke slide grease, but I found that if I didn't cut it with valve oil it lasted a lot longer. After applying I work it in for about 3 minutes and I'm ready to go. _________________ Bob Grier
An Old Pro
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bilboinsa Heavyweight Member
Joined: 03 Dec 2005 Posts: 3378 Location: San Antonio, TX
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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Oil. Why make it difficult to throw the slide? _________________ Doug Walsdorf
Schilke B2;
Kanstul 1525;
1927 Conn 22B
1970 B&H Regent
"In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit...it was a hobbit-hole, and that means comfort."
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