For all you do-it-yourself'ers...

ConnArtist · Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 8:43 pm Post subject: For all you do-it-yourself'ers...

I recommend *not* using solder to repair a bell.

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Crazy Finn · Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 8:47 pm Post subject:

Oh MAN!

Wow.

Good thing this is some miscellaneous trumpet (no brand discernible). Otherwise I'd have to cry instead of laugh.

Here's the money shot - so to speak.

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RandyTX · Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:04 pm Post subject:

Kirk finally started selling his work?

j/k.
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Trumpetmac · Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 10:15 pm Post subject:

Now that how you Franken.. a trumpet

Tuba · Veteran Member Joined: 23 Aug 2010 Posts: 164

Ugh.....

Well... I am speechless.

forrest · Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:49 am Post subject:

Well, the extra weight on the bell has changed its nodal frequency.............

Just watch - some self proclaimed genius will explain how this is an improvement in its tone.

DavesTrumpet · Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:59 am Post subject:

tk1031 · Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:04 am Post subject:

Actually the extra weight on that part of the bell flare should darken the sound if you play quietly in your stocking feet on a Tuesday, while at the same time in hard shoes on every other friday (odd dates only) it will be quite bright in hard soled shoes.

If played regularly, the horn would "play in" find the double "C" and sound much more like a Bach Strad 37 than a Jupiter does.

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Retlaw · Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:07 am Post subject:

Sorry to be crude folks but it really looks as if someone blew the "snot" out of it.....

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forrest · Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:34 am Post subject:

Ed Kennedy · Heavyweight Member Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 3187

I'm nearly speechless. That's a job for a patch, not globs of solder. Whoever did that let the work get too hot. The solder follows the heat.

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tk1031 · Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:04 am Post subject:

Forrest,
Yes. And only gold toe sox (I mean trumpet players don't wear the cheap stuff) and... of course.

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tk1031 · Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:07 am Post subject:

I meant to say, yes they make a difference, but if you can afford the gel inserts go for it... makes the horn sound halfway between a Monette, and a Harralson. Bachish but more Shire'ish. But less Cannonball, and more fluffy, like a Wankl Rotary valve cornet with the 72 leadpipe.
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Yammie · Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 1:11 pm Post subject: Amateurs

Everyone knows JB Weld darkens your sound much better than solder...
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Maarten van Weverwijk · Heavyweight Member Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Posts: 3377

Personally I think he didn't go far enough. Only one step further and this would have been the result:
http://www.inderbinen.com/media/images/Davinci1_L.jpg

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camel · Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 1:53 pm Post subject:

Capt.Kirk · Heavyweight Member Joined: 24 Feb 2009 Posts: 5792

Looks like they tried to solder on a new bell flair. You braze on a bell flair not solder two drastically different techniques. No I would not attempt to put a bell flair on a bell just yet. I am not that good yet! Maybe a few years from now. At this point I purchase my bells from repeatable providers firmly rooted in the industry.

They used far too much heat they actually crystallized that solder. You only have to heat the object up tot he point that the solder will flow and that is not that hot I once had to make a solder repair in the field with a cigerete lighter to some wiring on a car that was stranded. Most people use too much heat when trying to do a solder repair.

Well I have some parts coming from my suppliers for my proto-type. Brand new bells from one, a nice valve assembly from another and leadpipes made to my spec.'s from another. For the record all my leadpipes are made in gold brass and red brass to my specifications with my tooling. Still trying to decide on a receiver design. Until I can absorb more tooling cost's I will more then likely use off the shelf receiver's. I am forging my own braces by hand.

I would never pass off some hunk of junk like that. I would be ashamed to have my family name associated with anything less then a great product. I believe in the idea's of German Industry and Japanese Industry and my family name is precious to me. I would never bring sham or dishonor to my family by turning out a piece of garbage. It is try I intend to do most of my work in raw brass it is not that hard to polish it up and send it out for plating or bead blast and send out for plating. My business name is the meaning of my German name in English.

For the record I have two designs for leadpipes that are my own now. I have not started mass production yet because I am sure I might tweak them some more as I have people test my product so I only have a few trial samples. One is what I call my improved 25 pipe the other is some place in between the Bach 7 and the Bach 43 pipe. My version of the 25 pipe does not shut down on me on anything I have tried it on. It still has much the same blow but is significantly better then the stock Bach pipe in the upper register. Between the two designs I am pretty sure most will be happy with one or the other with bell designs I am using. No I still am not thinking I will sell any I am doing this because I want to do it for myself and my son. If it turns out people that try them and give me feed back liked them and think I should consider selling them I might consider it!

I have never sold anything to anyone with regards musical instruments so you have not seen anything of mine on Ebay. I would provide sound files if I was going to sell something like a trumpet. My larger pipe is a nice replacement for Olds Ambassadors. So should I decided to sell some leadpipes I would consider this a great replacement for Olds Ambassadors!
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dmb · Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:52 pm Post subject:

Happy Veterans Day Cpt. !
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Tuba · Veteran Member Joined: 23 Aug 2010 Posts: 164

Capt. Kirk -

Who ever did this WAS NOT trying to solder on a bell flare. There is no way that is even close to true.