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sunburstbasser
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| trpthrld wrote: |
very familiar with all of the Kanstul line (been associated w/ Kanstul since 1988).
The 1601 USED to be called the 1500TW, as it's very basic design takes from the 1500. I started playing the 1500 when I was touring with The Dallas Brass. AMAZING trumpet, beautiful sound, response, pitch center - everything. And I could play everything on it, from classical / orchestra / chamber / jazz / commercial / Lead. It records great, too.
The problem was it's a heavier horn, and I had to work harder than I felt I should to be heard above guys who were playing lighter equipment...hence, that 1500TW. In essence, it's a lightweight version of the 1500 with alterations and tweaks. Although I envisioned the 1500 TW as a Lead horn (and it truly is), with a slight change in mouthpiece I found it could work perfectly in chamber / orchestra / classical settings as well as it does in jazz / commercial / Lead settings.
For reasons I won't go into, several years ago Zig decided to change the model designation of the 1500 TW to the 1601.
and there you have the basic story.
Another Kanstul horn I'd highly recommend for all-around playing is the 1537. When funds allow, I will be adding a 1537 to my arsenal. |
I've gotten to play both the 1500 and 1601 side-by-side and agree with you. The 1601 is in nearly all aspects a better 1500. I'd say the only thing I really liked better on the 1500 is that it is really easy to get a smoky sound on it, perfect for a jazz combo, and for me it wasn't quite as easy on the 1601. Otherwise I think the 1601 is excellent. The copper bells on those two models and the 1510 C work great for classical music, assuming the player does their job. You really did a great job with Zig on that one.
By the way, the Dallas Brass is playing in my hometown next week. I'm looking forward to it.
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John Mock
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As there is a very well cared for Benge 5X for sale in the Marketplace part of the site, I think it is worth mentioning that at a major horn dealer in the U.S., a $1200 Benge is a horn that needs significant restoration! I saw some that were very well used, and not so well cared for, at that price point.
The 5X in the Marketplace would be a bargain by comparison.
My 2c.
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Trumpet Will
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Tried some trumpets at a shop in manchester yesterday, here's the low down;
Bach 37 180ML, well I've heard these strads vary alot- and this one didn't play as I expected it to, the trumpet was a bit stuffy, dull and lifeless- far from the rich and full sound that I managed to coax out of my teachers model 37 anyway.
Yamaha Xeno 8335, in comparison this blew the strad away, the sound was more lively and a tad brighter- I felt I could work with this trumpet a lot more.
B & S Challenger Reverse Lead, this trumpet felt a bit like the strad did, I just didn't feel it agreed with me like the xeno did. The sound was a bit lifeless to me.
Yamaha 9335NYS, this trumpet plays lovely- I would love it if the only playing I was doing was in an orchestra, otherwise it seemed a little too 'straight' for me, but that is how it was designed to be.
Conn Vintage One, Pretty Nice yes, could get some fairly nasty lead tones out of it- though it may be slightly lacking compared to...
Yamaha 9335CHS, has anyone else played one of these? Awesome trumpet- blew the lot away, it was designed as a symphonic trumpet and the pure, full and strong sound proved that- but with a bit of a push that trumpet projected a sexy lead sound that I've never made before. Honestly worth a try for the Big Banders out there, as well as the Orchestra players and everything in between. Absolutely awesome... but typically the most expensive trumpet I've ever touched.
Anyways, I'm going down to Trevor Jones in Bristol on Saturday, and I'll post on how it goes. And down there I'll try some more Yammies and Bachs, as well as Schilkes, Getzens, Kanstuls, Holtons, Taylors, Conns.. Coutois... Stomvi...
Yeah, those guys have a bucketload and I'll report back.
Thanks for the help guys, Will.
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bilboinsa
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Have a ball. Man, I miss horn shopping!
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Crazy Finn
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| Trumpet Will wrote: | | Bach 37 180ML, well I've heard these strads vary alot- and this one didn't play as I expected it to, the trumpet was a bit stuffy, dull and lifeless- far from the rich and full sound that I managed to coax out of my teachers model 37 anyway. |
That's pretty much been my experience as well. I like the blow and response of some of the older Strads. I too find that many of the new ones seem just that - dull and lifeless. I just don't get why anyone would buy one of those. I guess you really got to dig around to find one that works for you, or maybe you just might get lucky. I also like the 43 or 72 better than the 37 - often much more interesting and rich sound (though some 37 can be nice).
I also don't automatically hate Bachs. I play on a 184L cornet that is fantastic.
I'm envious of your little horn shopping outing. It sounds like it was a blast! |
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A lot have mentioned some great horns on here. My favorite Kanstul is the 1504, GREAT all-rounder. On the Yamaha side, I would say you're on the right track with the Xeno or any of the artist models.
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I should have asked this first but what exactly do you want to hear? I mean if London is too far to drive or take a train to go shopping for the day what is in your back yard. When I lived in Germany I would go to France to go shopping for the day or drive to Berlin to eat at my Favorite Resturant etc....... The UK is not that large.....I have to drive to another State or cross 3-4 of them to get to a place that has great selection of trumpets that is just a fact of life. In fact I considered flying or driving out to California which is one the west coast and I am just one almost on the other coast jst to let my son try out trumpets while I visit with relatives!!
In fact everything is at least a 1 hour drive for me even if I wanted a Bach Strad 180S37 which is the most common trumpet in these parts. I am not trying to be a jerk but I think it is kind of silly in todays world to think you an get everything you want in your back yard! Driving some distance is often required today. It would be different if you had 6 trumpet factories in town of Taylor or Eclipse just around the corner but since yo did not mention them I am going to guess that is not the case? So what is in your back yard that you would like an opinion on?!?!?
I would recommend you get a train ticket to London after you call ahead to make sure they have a Kanstul 1601 on hand. I always had a Euro Pass or local bus and train ticket stubs I bought in advance in bulk so I had them as needed I can not imagine not having that option but I did not grow up int he UK just liked to visit. Make a day of it plan something to do with the wife or with a girl you have been wanting to take out on a date etc.........If I have to travel some place far from home I always try to fill up the day with things to do.
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| Trumpet Will wrote: | | Anyways, I'm going down to Trevor Jones in Bristol on Saturday, and I'll post on how it goes. And down there I'll try some more Yammies and Bachs, as well as Schilkes, Getzens, Kanstuls, Holtons, Taylors, Conns.. Coutois... Stomvi... |
Now you're talkin'! I'd be curious if they have the Getzen 3050, 3051 and 3052. The one in .462" bore w/ gold brass bell should be a great horn at a great price, at least here. As far as "dead sounding" Bachs go, I naturally play bright and benefit from a horn with those properties. Bachs are usually way too bright for me. I could put an edge on a rubber ball  I usually admire most the players that look to add brilliance to their sound and need that from their equipment, while they typically gawk at my power. Grass is always greener I guess ... |
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murph66
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My horn shopping days are behind me (that sigh of relief you hear is from my wife), but I have been very satisfied with the Lawler Model T and have used it in a variety of venues including a symphony orchestra, swing band and even a German style combo. And Roy Lawler does have a return policy and will custom make a horn to your specifications.
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| Trumpet Will wrote: | Tried some trumpets at a shop in manchester yesterday, here's the low down;
Bach 37 180ML, well I've heard these strads vary alot- and this one didn't play as I expected it to, the trumpet was a bit stuffy, dull and lifeless- far from the rich and full sound that I managed to coax out of my teachers model 37 anyway.
Yamaha Xeno 8335, in comparison this blew the strad away, the sound was more lively and a tad brighter- I felt I could work with this trumpet a lot more.
B & S Challenger Reverse Lead, this trumpet felt a bit like the strad did, I just didn't feel it agreed with me like the xeno did. The sound was a bit lifeless to me.
Yamaha 9335NYS, this trumpet plays lovely- I would love it if the only playing I was doing was in an orchestra, otherwise it seemed a little too 'straight' for me, but that is how it was designed to be.
Conn Vintage One, Pretty Nice yes, could get some fairly nasty lead tones out of it- though it may be slightly lacking compared to...
Yamaha 9335CHS, has anyone else played one of these? Awesome trumpet- blew the lot away, it was designed as a symphonic trumpet and the pure, full and strong sound proved that- but with a bit of a push that trumpet projected a sexy lead sound that I've never made before. Honestly worth a try for the Big Banders out there, as well as the Orchestra players and everything in between. Absolutely awesome... but typically the most expensive trumpet I've ever touched.
Anyways, I'm going down to Trevor Jones in Bristol on Saturday, and I'll post on how it goes. And down there I'll try some more Yammies and Bachs, as well as Schilkes, Getzens, Kanstuls, Holtons, Taylors, Conns.. Coutois... Stomvi...
Yeah, those guys have a bucketload and I'll report back.
Thanks for the help guys, Will. |
How did Saturday go???
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The Benge 5X is no longer in the marketplace and shofarguy didn't have to move.
PM for details.
Now, back to our regularly scheduled thread. 
Brian
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Here are some horns that I have personally played that I like very much, and in no particular order.
Modern
Lawler C7
Schilke S-22 HD - more open blowing
Schilke S-32 HD - a little more resistance than the S-22 HD
Calicchio
Getzen 3052 - again, a more open blowing horn
Yamaha Xeno
Vintage
Burbank Benge - the 3X makes for a great lead/Commercial horn
King Symphony 20 - one very nice horn
To Consider(I have not played these)
Sonare
Kanstul
Taylor
Eclipse
Horns from the NY Trumpet Company
Scodwell
Note: I am playing in a concert tonight and the lead trumpet player is playing a raw brass Cannonball. Not too familiar with these, but he has a great sound.
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| Trumpet Will wrote: | Tried some trumpets at a shop in manchester yesterday, here's the low down;
Bach 37 180ML, well I've heard these strads vary alot- and this one didn't play as I expected it to, the trumpet was a bit stuffy, dull and lifeless- far from the rich and full sound that I managed to coax out of my teachers model 37 anyway.
Yamaha Xeno 8335, in comparison this blew the strad away, the sound was more lively and a tad brighter- I felt I could work with this trumpet a lot more.
B & S Challenger Reverse Lead, this trumpet felt a bit like the strad did, I just didn't feel it agreed with me like the xeno did. The sound was a bit lifeless to me.
Yamaha 9335NYS, this trumpet plays lovely- I would love it if the only playing I was doing was in an orchestra, otherwise it seemed a little too 'straight' for me, but that is how it was designed to be.
Conn Vintage One, Pretty Nice yes, could get some fairly nasty lead tones out of it- though it may be slightly lacking compared to...
Yamaha 9335CHS, has anyone else played one of these? Awesome trumpet- blew the lot away, it was designed as a symphonic trumpet and the pure, full and strong sound proved that- but with a bit of a push that trumpet projected a sexy lead sound that I've never made before. Honestly worth a try for the Big Banders out there, as well as the Orchestra players and everything in between. Absolutely awesome... but typically the most expensive trumpet I've ever touched.
Anyways, I'm going down to Trevor Jones in Bristol on Saturday, and I'll post on how it goes. And down there I'll try some more Yammies and Bachs, as well as Schilkes, Getzens, Kanstuls, Holtons, Taylors, Conns.. Coutois... Stomvi...
Yeah, those guys have a bucketload and I'll report back.
Thanks for the help guys, Will. |
You definitely played a great group of horns. Pick the one you like and go for it. |
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Trumpet Will
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Saturday went good 
I played a fair few horns, this includes;
Schilke S 32 (Taylor Modified)- Played nice, there was just something that didn't work with me- although it's a good looking beast.
Bach 43G (Taylor Modified)- Really Nice, yeah- Taylor had put some heavy stuff on it (Valve Caps, Receiver, finger rings) so it darkened up nice, I liked it, as I also like the Selmer Concept TT, Yamaha 8310z, French Besson...
But it all came down to the Yamaha 8335LA, and I have found a horn I'll be sticking with for a while. It's exactly what I wanted, in that it is a horn that will nail the lead and jazz properly, as well as perform for the classical work that I do a little less often.
I've had this horn since saturday and have taken it to a big band rehearsal so far, as well as practiced my classical repertoire and it's a beast. For lead it projects like a monster, and the saxes aren't happy- but thats good, I can back off and let the trumpet do the work whilst sitting on top. For classical, solo pieces etc, its just got a beautiful warm tone that I've never managed to bring from a trumpet, and its response amazes me.
Seriously though, if you're not bothered about giving it some serious air (large bore tuning slide) then check this out for whichever jobs you're on.
Ps, the lacquer and gold trim has some serious class.
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