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JayKosta Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu May 09, 2024 1:29 pm Post subject: Flexibility - the 'necessary' actions |
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Flexibility is an important part of being able to play well, and 'flexibility exercises' are usually found in method books, videos, etc. But less discussed are the 'skills' and 'actions' that are needed to achieve good 'playing flexibility'.
These are my initial thoughts about those skills and actions.
Basically, flexibility means being able to quickly and accurately move among notes of different pitch, and especially different ranges.
A key part of this is having good control of lips and embouchure so the changes and adjustments can be made with minimum physical movement, and with good control so the desired note can be sounded correctly, and on-time.
Ideally, those changes come about unconsciously by seeing the written note, imagining the pitch, using correct fingering, and making the appropriate embouchure and air adjustments.
A critical issue is being able to make those embouchure and air adjustments quickly. A large part of this is the ability to make small 'tweaks' in adjustment, and to avoid needing large (slow) physical changes. Doing slow long-tone practice is a good way to learn the adjustments for the various notes, but that can lead to excessive 'rigidity' in the setting for each note (and range).
AFTER you have learned to correctly play the various notes, it is important to learn how to reduce the amount of physical movement so the time to 'get set' for the next note is short.
If anyone can give me links or references to good instructional / teaching material about this, I'd appreciate it. _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'. |
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rhatheway Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed May 15, 2024 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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Jay, as probably one of the newest members here on TH I don't really feel I'm qualified to give you advice, but...
The "Arban Complete Conservatory Method for Trumpet" (which is what I've been using this past year as I've been working on getting my chops back) has exercises that cover just about anything you might want to learn. There's a great section on slurring and legato playing (>20 pages of exercises), which covers a lot of what (I think) you're asking about, and has exercises in different key signatures and meters, from slow to fast, which are definitely useful in developing the flexibility you talked about (it's helping me anyway).
https://www.amazon.com/Fischer-Complete-Conservatory-Method-Trumpet/dp/B017X3KDJY/ref=asc_df_B017X3KDJY _________________ Richard H
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stuartissimo Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed May 15, 2024 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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I found this video by Alex ‘Trumpet Brain’ a good starting point. It discusses some basics on how he thinks these exercises can be approached efficiently. _________________ 1975 Olds Recording trumpet
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JayKosta Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu May 16, 2024 3:18 am Post subject: |
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stuartissimo wrote: | I found this video by Alex ‘Trumpet Brain’ a good starting point. It discusses some basics on how he thinks these exercises can be approached efficiently. |
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Thanks for the link to that video.
I think a lot of the 'technique' is described in the time section 1:30 - 3:25 .
I like Alex Brain's method of teaching and describing 'technique issues'. _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'. |
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cantabile New Member
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Posted: Thu May 16, 2024 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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I really like the flexibilities (Lip Slurs) in Michael Sachs' Daily Fundamentals For The Trumpet. They are well graduated from lower to higher register, with variations and musicality.
Many of his exercises in various sections of the book also develop warm, full airflow as well as the focus technique. His tutorial text in each section is well-explained for learning. |
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Jaw04 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon May 20, 2024 8:57 pm Post subject: Re: Flexibility - the 'necessary' actions |
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JayKosta wrote: |
A critical issue is being able to make those embouchure and air adjustments quickly. A large part of this is the ability to make small 'tweaks' in adjustment, and to avoid needing large (slow) physical changes. Doing slow long-tone practice is a good way to learn the adjustments for the various notes, but that can lead to excessive 'rigidity' in the setting for each note (and range).
AFTER you have learned to correctly play the various notes, it is important to learn how to reduce the amount of physical movement so the time to 'get set' for the next note is short.
| Critical issue for who, and in what situation? What problem are you trying to diagnose? This post is very hypothetical and I think it would be helpful to know if it was attached to some real world application. |
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JayKosta Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 3:07 am Post subject: Re: Flexibility - the 'necessary' actions |
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Jaw04 wrote: | ... What problem are you trying to diagnose? ... |
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Not trying to diagnose any problems - just a simple list of items that are needed for 'no problems'.
If a player's technique inhibits those items and they have trouble with flexibility, then the player would improve flexibility by correcting their technique to enable the 'needed actions'.
Yes, it might seem obvious and trivial, but some people do want better flexibility, and perhaps thinking about those items would help them. _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'. |
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abontrumpet Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 4:07 am Post subject: |
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I don't believe Alex Brain's description or methodology really gets to the heart of improving flexibility. It won't hurt, but it's not really explaining anything.
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On a personal note, I think that people place "flexibility" too far up the totem pole (i.e., make less important). Important is too weak a word, I would go further and say it is foundational/essential. You cannot play the instrument without the ability to navigate "the path" (i.e., mastering the overtone series). In an ideal world, beginners would master 1. "tone/sound" 2. "path". On a very personal note, "control" is anti-productive to mastering brass, but I understand that all of the above may just be a semantic issue. That being said, we need to "let" (relinquish control) as much as possible (disclaimer: I'm not saying you can't control aspects of playing for improvement, but the goal is to eventually relinquish control -- there may need to be a period of focused consciousness for that to happen -- which may include a period of "how little can I control and still achieve the same result," not just the other end of the spectrum).
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kalijah Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 5:45 am Post subject: |
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. He seems to like the idea of "let the lips vibrate" but keeps demonstrating free-buzzing, rim-buzzing and mouthpiece buzzing.
He needs to just blow air through the lips in all cases, THAT is what occurs when the instrument resonance is not present.
He also pops the mp and says basically "sound with no air flow". Actually, there is indeed flow during the "pop" it is just of very short duration.
Take any teachers "science" with a grain of salt.
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abontrumpet Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 6:18 am Post subject: |
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kalijah wrote: | Take any teachers "science" with a grain of salt. |
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kalijah Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 6:30 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | Yes, he is big on the use of a visualizer (more than mouthpiece or freebuzzing) and I believe it has its benefits after seeing him work with so many. |
Nothing wrong with a visualizer if you are simply blowing air through it but BUZZING on it is not only required but detrimental. Playing just does not take that amount of embouchure effort. Why coax players into that? |
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abontrumpet Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 6:46 am Post subject: |
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kalijah wrote: | Nothing wrong with a visualizer if you are simply blowing air through it but BUZZING on it is not only required but detrimental. Playing just does not take that amount of embouchure effort. Why coax players into that? |
To not derail this thread, I'll try and keep it brief: it is a tool to be used with oversight from a teacher and is a very specific and advanced tool at that. EDIT
He addresses embouchure effort repeatedly over the course of the initial instruction: for example "to get the best sound, you need the least amount of engagement." I agree, that "coaxing" those that are not able to make the distinction in stimuli (therefore coding/mapping the visualizer response to trumpet playing) is detrimental.
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kalijah Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 7:03 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | He addresses embouchure effort repeatedly over the course of the initial instruction: for example "to get the best sound, you need the least amount of engagement." |
And I agree with that. However, he could accurately show what that minimal effort reveals when the resonator is removed. Yet he buzzes throughout the video. |
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abontrumpet Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 7:16 am Post subject: |
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kalijah wrote: | And I agree with that. However, he could accurately show what that minimal effort reveals when the resonator is removed. Yet he buzzes throughout the video. |
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Doug Elliott Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 9:24 am Post subject: |
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kalijah wrote: | Bill Vemeulen (professor of horn at Rice) is contradicting himself. He seems to like the idea of "let the lips vibrate" but keeps demonstrating free-buzzing, rim-buzzing and mouthpiece buzzing.
He needs to just blow air through the lips in all cases, THAT is what occurs when the instrument resonance is not present.
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There is no contradiction there.
I freebuzz and teach it, and if done correctly by my standards it's extremely easy, productive, and "lets the lips vibrate" with very minimal air or effort. The horn resonance is not needed.
However I have not watched the video yet. |
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kalijah Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 10:25 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | I freebuzz and teach it, and if done correctly by my standards it's extremely easy, productive, and "lets the lips vibrate" with very minimal air or effort. The horn resonance is not needed.
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"Correct" free buzzing (whatever that means) is incorrect for playing the resonance of the instrument AND requires more effort than playing efficiently.
It is unfortunate how teachers lead students away from efficient playing. |
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Rhondo Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 10:46 am Post subject: |
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Question:
To boil it down to the essentials:
Assuming you’re very familiar with where the notes are on the horn, is the key just air support and practicing? |
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JayV Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 10:55 am Post subject: |
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Jim Thompson teaches essentially the same thing as VerMeulen about flexibility. In fact, buzzing basics exercises 3 and 4 are explicitly designed to help the student create and feel that "pop" as the slur finds the resonance in the horn. "The path" is just another way to conceptualize and practice the same thing: finding the minimum effort to make the most resonant sound and navigate the intervals the most efficient way, without "steering" or "muscling" anything. Tony Prisk was just on Ryan Beach's podcast discussing and demonstrating the same thing. Virtually all highly skilled brass players have this approach to tone/flexibility.
I think Charles Colin's "Advanced Lip Flexibilities" are another great way to practice these concepts. |
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JayKosta Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 11:14 am Post subject: |
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Link to video discussing 'buzz', and sound production
https://youtube.com/watch?v=hM8hAfZ52R8
I think a BIG part of what he is discussing is said in these 2 sections -
11:15 - 12:15 'allow the buzz', but not mentioned is that 'lip / face engagement' is what controls how the lips are allowed to buzz.
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28:20 - 29:00 - where he talks about 'guide the buzz' and 'face engagement'. _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'.
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JayKosta Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 11:23 am Post subject: |
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Rhondo wrote: | ...
Assuming you’re very familiar with where the notes are on the horn, is the key just air support and practicing? |
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that's somewhat of a 'trick question', because if a player really is 'very familiar with where the note are', then the player already knows what is needed regarding air support / pressure / flow, embouchure positioning, etc.
It then become a struggle to reliably DO what has to be done - and practice is what develops the precision, stamina and endurance that is needed for the doing. _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'.
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