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 Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 9:10 pm Post subject: Re: 3850 Cornet |
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| bwoodard wrote: | | I love my 3850. It is however a gurgle fest. I am constantly draining the water or else you get a gurgling. I was actually thinking about installing Joykeys on the leadpipe. |
This might be caused by a burr inside the leadpipe at the location where Amado key is installed. To check, remove the tuning slide and shine the light into the leadpipe, or use a borescope if available.
Amado on the third valve slide can also have a burr that can be checked using a similar process as that for the tuning slide. To remove the third valve slide in 3850, one would need to unscrew one of trigger arm screws, taking care not to mar the finish / screw head.
A burr at the Amado key near the third valve loop (that waterkey is unique to 3850) would be more difficult to diagnose. If you are willing to disassemble the Amado, take great care to avoid pieces flying off - surround the Amado with a plastic bag when disassembling and when reassembling. Once the Amado retaining ring, backplate, spring and piston are removed, you could check for the presence of a burr by using an L-shaped paperclip going through the Amado hole. |
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Irving
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2023 6:32 am Post subject: |
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| Has anybody compared the 800 with the 800DLX and preferred the standard 800? |
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Getzen
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:03 am Post subject: |
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This is purely anecdotal, but I could count on one hand the number of people I have talked to that have played both and chose the 800 Eterna over the 800DLX. I can't say the same for the original 900 and 907 Eternas vs the 900DLX and 907DLX. I would estimate it is more of a 70/30 mix there. 70% preferring the Deluxes and 30% picking one of the originals.
The 3850 vs the 800DLX is a different story. If I had to I would give that more of a 50/50 split. Fans of the 3850 seem to be more torn when it comes to the 800DLX. I chalk that up to wildly different philosophies in the design. The 3850 is meant as a brass band cornet first and foremost while the 800DLX is intended to be more of an American style cornet that, in the right hands and with the right mouthpiece, will work in a brass band.
Again, this is by no means scientific. Based purely on my interactions with players.
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Steve A
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| Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2023 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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Asking here rather than in a PM, in case anyone else is interested:
Does anyone in Canada carry these instruments? |
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Getzen
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Steve A
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2023 10:57 am Post subject: |
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| Okay, thanks for your help! |
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cgaiii
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| Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2024 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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I just got one of these cornets. (Thank you Brett.) Mine is silver plate.
I have no trouble at all with the spit valve near the bell. The tolerance is a little tight, but my finger easily fits on the lever and behind the bell. For giant fingered people, it may be another matter.
In just a couple of days of playing, I am discovering the versatility of this horn and how wonderfully you can color the sound. Different mouthpieces make a lot of difference, and I am still experimenting with them. I can envision having several with it to use according to what I will be playing and the instrument mix.
Since I got a "B" stock horn (very close to A for a B), I did not get the little case, so I cannot comment on it. The case I did get is nice, roomy, well-made, and has two mouthpiece holders.
Everything absolutely first class.
It is a wonderful horn.
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Dayton
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| Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2024 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I am discovering the versatility of this horn and how wonderfully you can color the sound. Different mouthpieces make a lot of difference, and I am still experimenting with them. I can envision having several with it to use according to what I will be playing and the instrument mix. |
I completely agree. The 800DLX is a wonderfully versatile horn. I've settled on one mouthpiece for 90% of my playing, but deeper and shallower cups do seem to make a considerable difference in the sound. Enjoy your new horn!
BTW, the case is very attractive and well constructed, but the only thing I use it for is storage. It's not terribly practical (for me) for gigs or rehearsals as it lacks storage space, a shoulder strap, etc. |
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cgaiii
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| Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2024 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Dayton wrote: | | I've settled on one mouthpiece for 90% of my playing, but deeper and shallower cups do seem to make a considerable difference in the sound. Enjoy your new horn!
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Thank you.
Out of curiosity, and perhaps a hint toward more experiments, what mouthpiece did you settle on?
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Pic: Kanstul 920
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Dayton
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| Quote: | | Out of curiosity, and perhaps a hint toward more experiments, what mouthpiece did you settle on? |
I generally use a Pickett 3BC (with a Pickett 1.5 backbore) on my 800DLX, compared to a Pickett 3CD on Bb trumpet. It is deep enough to bring out the warmth in the sound while still offering me a lot of versatility. |
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DAVIDTHEWRITER
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Love that new case!
Way cool that the forum gets manufacturers posting. |
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cgaiii
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| Dayton wrote: |
I generally use a Pickett 3BC (with a Pickett 1.5 backbore) on my 800DLX, compared to a Pickett 3CD on Bb trumpet. It is deep enough to bring out the warmth in the sound while still offering me a lot of versatility. |
Thanks @Dayton. I know nothing about Pickett mouthpieces, but it is another place to go on safari while I am experimenting. Like you, I tend to stick to the same rim on most of my Bb mouthpieces, so that is a great hint at how to approach it.
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Bb Pocket: Manchester Brass
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