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VetPsychWars
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Carl Fischer is still very much in business and I would bet that it is not, in fact, in the public domain.
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| While many of Carl Fischer's more recent editions of the Arban Method are indeed not PD, the edition presented here was published in 1893 and falls well within the public domain. Whether or not a publisher is currently in business has no bearing on public domain status. There are several other scans of this particular edition available on the interned, most notably IMSLP's. |
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| BaldEagle wrote: | | While many of Carl Fischer's more recent editions of the Arban Method are indeed not PD, the edition presented here was published in 1893 and falls well within the public domain. Whether or not a publisher is currently in business has no bearing on public domain status. There are several other scans of this particular edition available on the interned, most notably IMSLP's. |
You're assuming that they did not keep the copyright current. Just because the document says 1893 does not mean that the copyright was not renewed.
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chuck in ny
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| patents to my knowledge can't be renewed. is this so, you can renew a copyright? |
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mm55
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You can renew patents. Formerly, you could renew copyrights, although copyright has changed substantially since the 1970's. I'm not sure whether it makes much difference, since copyrights now last for years after the death of the author.
But you can't keep renewing them indefinitely. A book published in 1893 is in the public domain, at least under US law.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 7:02 am Post subject: Re: Free Arban Method PDF |
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This appears to be a copy of the IMSLP version with the addition of 'free-scores' watermarks:
http://imslp.org/wiki/Method_for_the_Cornet_(Arban,_Jean-Baptiste)
(copy & past the entire text above - one can't put parens in a link here)
When you download through IMSPL you have to click-through a disclaimer that the current copyright may be in effect.
It's probably 'more wrong' that free-scores is watermarking someone else's efforts than it is that an old edition of the book is on-line.
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According to the copyright code 17 the magic date is 1922. Anything published in 1922 or earlier is now public domain. However, the rules changed so nothing from 1923 or newer will become public domain until 2019. So, for now at least, its simple. 1922 or earlier ok to copy.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 7:24 am Post subject: Re: Free Arban Method PDF |
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| ghelbig wrote: | | It's probably 'more wrong' that free-scores is watermarking someone else's efforts than it is that an old edition of the book is on-line. |
Seriously, lol at the guy downloading this from IMSLP, adding a cover sheet with his picture and info and watermarking every page. Sketchy! |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:10 am Post subject: Re: Free Arban Method PDF |
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| Fuzzy Dunlop wrote: | | ghelbig wrote: | | It's probably 'more wrong' that free-scores is watermarking someone else's efforts than it is that an old edition of the book is on-line. |
Seriously, lol at the guy downloading this from IMSLP, adding a cover sheet with his picture and info and watermarking every page. Sketchy! |
+1
Here's another link to the legit website that should work:
http://imslp.org/wiki/Method_for_the_Cornet_%28Arban,_Jean-Baptiste%29
The first "Complete" version is actually a very condensed version of the Method (only 96 pages). The Goldman (good, full) version is the one in five parts on the Webpage. |
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You can find the J.W. Pepper 1879 Edition online at the Library of Congress. Can't get any more public domain than that.
Its an interesting exercise to compare the Pepper to the later editions. All the same exercises, but not transposed to different keys. Students were supposed to do that on their own.
The Pepper doesn't have the Characteristic Studies or the Fantasies and Aires.
The ads at the beginning and end of the book are a hoot.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:48 am Post subject: Re: Free Arban Method PDF |
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| ghelbig wrote: |
This appears to be a copy of the IMSLP version with the addition of 'free-scores' watermarks:
http://imslp.org/wiki/Method_for_the_Cornet_(Arban,_Jean-Baptiste)
(copy & past the entire text above - one can't put parens in a link here) |
Agreed. There are far too many sites out there that take somebody else's publicly available music and stamp watermarks on them. Some still give them away for free, others try and charge for the watermarking. 
free-scores.com is a train wreck, on several levels.
Probably the biggest (and most obviously dubious, perhaps even illegal) of these sites is the so-called "Clarinet Institute of Los Angeles", which sells a "Trumpet Archive" disc of supposedly public domain music for a relatively low price, but the contents are largely stuff straight off IMSLP, and even worse copyrighted material, mostly etude and method books. All have been scanned in, and watermarked (sometimes the watermark is placed so poorly it covers up the actual music).
I purchased it after someone mentioned it here, before I realized what it really was. It has PDF's (heavily watermarked to cover up copyright notices) of a lot of common trumpet books, include the Stamp book, Wurm, some of Jay Lichtmann's stuff is in there (with his name covered up, but all the engraving identical to what is on his site). Looking at the contents again, a very large percentage of the disc's contents are lifted straight from Jay's site, watermarked, then put up for sale. |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:50 am Post subject: Re: Free Arban Method PDF |
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| John Mohan wrote: | | The first "Complete" version is actually a very condensed version of the Method (only 96 pages). The Goldman (good, full) version is the one in five parts on the Webpage. |
There is also an Alphonse Leduc three-volume "expanded" set (separate thread on TH about it already) of Arban, that is similar, but *much* more comprehensive. It's even bigger both in print format (old orchestral music sized, perhaps even a little larger), and three thick bound volumes, with a lot of material that doesn't appear in any other edition of Arban I've found. |
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I'm going to download free music's version then cover his watermark with mine the sell it for 50 bucks and I'll throw in the shipping.....
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I assure you that all of the material in the older Arban books are completely in the public domain AND the music in most newer ones are too.
Mine is the largest exception as I reset the music and transcribed up a step at a time to cover extra practice range. I also added over 200 pages of new exercises to cover some technical hurdles that we have now that they didn't have in 1865 when Arban first published his book.
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| homebilly wrote: | | I'll throw in the shipping..... |
Deadbeat's offering to pay shipping on an eBook?
Looks like H.L. Clark was spot-on regarding Jaz Music.
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yeah man! it's on me!!!!
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I previously downloaded the five part version from IMSLP and printed it out (with manual duplexing), three hole punched it (again by hand) and threw it in a binder. Had planned to do it slowly over time in stages, but got started on it one day and just kept going. I ended up finishing it all in one evening.
Now when I'm going through Eric Bolvin's excellent Arban Manual I can just remove the individual sheets I need and no longer have to flip through my rapidly deteriorating 1982 edition.
Works great!
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| thanks doods! |
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