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DAVIDTHEWRITER
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 Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2024 11:11 am Post subject: Cornet Love - Newbie 1st Post |
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Cornet love from freshman college time. I went to the same Pawn Shop where I bought a trumpet. Some old Cornet was in stock and the sound was spot on what I wanted. After college, life and no playing. Retired and Cornet - ology is a great hobby.
Love the look. Love the feel. Love the less piercing but brassy sound.
Gear tips on mellowing / darkening mouthpieces, guitar syn pedals, pick up mic, tiny amps.
Interests in fusion, rock jazz, Messiaen, Dolphy, Zappa, Varese, Audacity tricks.
Hobby.
Thank you for providing this great forum. Been in here a lot as guest. Treasures!
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Rogerrr
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I like Bach 3 ( no letter )
for even darker Wick 4B....lots of people seem to prefer Curry
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Dayton
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If I understand your post correctly, you have returned to cornet playing after a long absence. If the return is recent, you may have a hard time getting the sound you want right now. That will change as you rebuild your skills and endurance.
Give the 5B a try for a while. If the 5 rim is about right for you, or was when you were playing regularly, then the 5B is likely a decent starting point. You can definitely find deeper mouthpieces (5A, 5V) but I wouldn't suggest starting your return there.
Also worth noting that throat, backbore, cup shape, and the rim contour (may) vary by model; it's not just the cup depth that changes.
Also, if you are desiring a warmer sound is that based on what you hear as you play the cornet or what you hear when you record yourself? You might be surprised by the difference, and might already be closer to your ideal sound than you realize. |
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A Bach no letter or A cup will give you a more mellow tone than a B cup. If you really want to go mellow, buy a Wick 4… 
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DAVIDTHEWRITER
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Thank you for the warm and encouraging welcome. Exactly the sort of MP advice that I wanted.
Here's a tip if you like collecting vintage brass. The eBay sellers are desperate to sell the brass because they don't play. It's just old band gear to the sellers.
Click that WATCH button.
Except for auctions, I absolutely guarantee you that an offer of BIN 20% - 50% off asking from EVERY seller will arrive in less than 24 hours.
Every time. |
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Rwwilson
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| I think that you have identified the big impact that mouthpiece choice has on the sound of a cornet. Early 1900 cornet mouthpieces were very deep v shaped, almost like a French horn mouthpiece, and delivered a deep mellow sound. Sometime later cornet mouthpieces in the U.S. became more like trumpet mouthpieces with much shallower cups. This resulted in cornets sounding more like trumpets. Most British brass band players now use a deep mouthpiece but not necessarily with a v shape to get the desired round mellow tone. Many use Wick cornet mouthpieces. I like the sound I get with a Curry 2 BBC. |
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Wick no letter plus several months is needed to get the true sound. Once you have adapted, it will be difficult to go back. Everything else will sound harsh.
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| Richard III wrote: | | Wick no letter |
The difference between DW no letter and B is substantial in terms of sound and playability, but if you get the no letter working the way you want, then the B version should get you close enough still (but might be easier to play, especially for high notes). Denis Wick mouthpieces are also quite affordable, not to mention used ones are easy to find and even cheaper, so you can pick up a few to try and compare them for relatively little money.
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DAVIDTHEWRITER
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| stuartissimo wrote: | | Richard III wrote: | | Wick no letter |
The difference between DW no letter and B is substantial in terms of sound and playability, but if you get the no letter working the way you want, then the B version should get you close enough still (but might be easier to play, especially for high notes). Denis Wick mouthpieces are also quite affordable, not to mention used ones are easy to find and even cheaper, so you can pick up a few to try and compare them for relatively little money. |
I looked on eBay and was quite surprised by the D W selection for cornet. And like you say, good value investment for something that lasts forever and could potentially finish the pursuit of that particular timbre. |
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You may find this chart useful to make some sense of all the stuff they have available.
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DAVIDTHEWRITER
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| stuartissimo wrote: | | You may find this chart useful to make some sense of all the stuff they have available. |
Very interesting and useful. Given the prices and selection, I foresee a DW mouthpiece in my future. |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2024 10:49 am Post subject: Short shank cornet mouthpieces sound |
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What brand and model of cornet do you play? Is it an American wrap or a Shephards crook cornet? Do you have short shank or long shank mouthpieces?
I started back playing about two months ago. Recently learned that the sound of long shank mouthpieces is to loud for my tastes.
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DAVIDTHEWRITER
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Very informative.
At the risk of over reducing, if I applied our list of Mellow & Warm cornet mouthpieces to equivalent trumpet mouthpiece models, would that trumpet play more cornetatiously?
Even at my light experience, my Bach 7C cornet MP is clearly different sounding than my CONN 4 cornet mouthpiece. Not night and day and until I'm recording, I'm just hearing the playing, so I'm not going to say it's obviously more trumpet like. And those two may not be drastically different enough for substantial differences one can put finger on while playing. |
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FAXX 7C trumpet mouthpiece
Cornets - Auditions - Ongoing Vintage Bargain Shopping
Month long leader 1960s era CONN DIRECTOR was recently cut; in the running for backup, however
1960s era KING 602 Cleveland - leading cornet auditions as of 29 April
1960s era HOLTON -COLLEGIATE - cut. Did not sound as cornet as the KING 602.
* VINCENT BACH 5B mouthpiece for all cornet auditioning.
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I love all my horns. The cornet role is fluid thanks to online glut of band brass. It's bargains bargains bargains for vintage band horns.
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Hi David,
Have you filled out your profile?
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Jupiter 520 M shepherds crook cornet
Yamaha 2330 Shepherds crook cornet
Denis Wick 4 W classic gold short shank mouthpiece
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| Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2024 1:34 am Post subject: Re: Short shank cornet mouthpieces sound |
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| jondrowjf@gmail.com wrote: | | What brand and model of cornet do you play? Is it an American wrap or a Shephards crook cornet? Do you have short shank or long shank mouthpieces? |
My Olds Super has a trumpet receiver, so I generally play it with that, using it as a backup horn for travel and outdoors gigs. I’m not really a cornet player though, and even if I were, in my country cornets are primarily used for brassband music. Even with a proper mouthpiece an Olds Super wouldn’t suffice for that. I’m working on adjusting a mouthpiece adapter to allow it to be played with cornet mouthpieces as well, but due to lack of tooling, sanding down the size it taking a while.
The Olds Super would be great for small combo jazz, except I also have an Olds Recording trumpet that’s much, much better for it (gets real mellow with a cornet-like mouthpiece).
And to top things off, my flugelhorn has a receiver sized for cornet mouthpieces. Been using a Denis Wick 2 for a while to get a real French horn-like sound out of it. But it was hard play evenly over the entire scale. Somewhat accidently I got a Breslmair cornet mouthpiece for it which sounds almost as good, but very even for the entire instrument range (and is much easier to play).
Even though I rarely play cornet, I really like them. Wouldn’t mind trying a Recording cornet some day.
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I like my Yamaha 16E and won't miss an opportunity to tell anyone who cares about it 
It's a huge mouthpiece, while it gets a good dark sound, it doesn't quite feel its size, where I've found it to be a better playing mouthpiece than DW4 for instance. It can be a bit too big for some instruments though, which result in getting flat in the high register. |
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Auditioning newly arrived vintage student edition cornet. It's a reasonably good condition KING 602 CLEVELAND
#331399 birthdate is depending on source, early/middle 1960s?
After hot soapy bath and drowning in Yamaha syn valve oil, sounds nice. Valves and springs looked almost pristine and moving quickly. Not as quiet as Getzen valves but quieter than the Director horns I own.
Using a V B 5B mouthpiece.
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