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ramado24@clarkston.k12.mi Regular Member
Joined: 19 Dec 2023 Posts: 28
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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 4:45 pm Post subject: Large bore horns |
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Does a large bore trumpet make it easier to play high notes? I have a medium bore and it feels snuffy in the upper register. _________________ An indescribable passion, everyone's yearning to create music (yamaha 8335 II rkg) |
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falado Heavyweight Member
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 944 Location: Eastern NC
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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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Hi, this is a yes and no. I’ve played large and medium bore horns for lead: Benge 6X (was my favorite), Wild Thing, Benge CG, Besson Meha (.470) on the large side and V~Raptor (Stomvi, another fav), Jupiter XO 1601i (Ingram), Callet Sima (flame thrower). I found you need a balance between the mouthpiece rim cup and backbore and the horn, oh and lots of practice, flex, CG SA, etc.
Mouthpiece, I went from a small cup and backbore to a Monette B4 something or other and it’s bigger, backbore and cup and guess what, same upper register, bigger sound, more endurance. It made me think more about aperture, oops could be a useful key, air, and tongue level.
If your horn plays stuffy for you, changing things with the mouthpiece may help, but I would also start with a good tech at Osmun or Landress and a PVA, blueprinting. I also found that changing tuning slide, semi round or round on a Bach helps open up the upper register.
I forgot to mention, now I’m playing everything on a Thane Performance, red brass 72 bell. It’s a medium large bore.
Just some thoughts.
Dave _________________ FA LA DO (Ab: V/ii) MUCS, USN (Ret.)
Stomvi VR (Reeves) with VR II Bell
Bach 239 25A C, Blueprinted
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herringbur New Member
Joined: 16 May 2023 Posts: 4
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2023 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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It has a larger backbore and cup, as well as the same upper register, greater sound, and better endurance. It made me consider aperture, which could be a valuable key, air , and tongue level. rainbow obby |
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Andy Cooper Heavyweight Member
Joined: 15 Nov 2001 Posts: 1853 Location: Terre Haute, IN USA
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2023 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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In your case a large bore trumpet might be easier if you want to stick with your present mouthpiece.
Or you could just try a different mouthpiece. You are using the Yamaha Shew Lead which has a small throat and small backbore. Why not try a Yamaha 14A4A and see if things open up a bit. The 14A4A is still a lead mouthpiece but a bit more open.
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kalijah Heavyweight Member
Joined: 06 Nov 2003 Posts: 3260 Location: Alabama
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Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:42 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | Does a large bore trumpet make it easier to play high notes? |
Generally, no. Greater acoustic impedance in the instrument makes all harmonic resonances more pronounced, including the higher ones.
The mouthpiece can also increase the high harmonic resonances. Making them easier and more efficient to play. |
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Dayton Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Mar 2013 Posts: 2063 Location: USA
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Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:38 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | Does a large bore trumpet make it easier to play high notes? |
All other things being equal: Probably not for most players. But bore is just one part of a system. Just considering the trumpet, you have the leadpipe taper, the bore, the tuning slide shape, bell taper, position of braces....Add the mouthpiece, where you have a backbore, throat, rim, cup....And then the physical characteristics of a player and their approach to playing. Not all those elements are equal, of course, nor are they all easily quantified. |
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Richard III Heavyweight Member
Joined: 22 May 2007 Posts: 2662 Location: Anacortes, WA
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Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:18 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | I have a medium bore and it feels snuffy in the upper register. |
Playing around lately with changing horns and mouthpieces, I have come to the conclusion that the mouthpiece gap, and the lack of good valve compression to be the two most important contributors to that stuffy feeling. I should point out that I've got a range of horns from .413 to .485 to experiment with. _________________ Richard
1903 Conn "The Wonder" Cornet
1943 Conn 80A Cornet |
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Christian K. Peters Heavyweight Member
Joined: 12 Nov 2001 Posts: 1536 Location: Eugene, Oregon
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Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2023 10:52 am Post subject: Large bore horns |
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Hello all,
Large bore horns have a nice open feeling. For me, I need a bit of resistance somewhere when I get to the Eb and above. I had a Calicchio L3/9 that really played great, but was just too big. I currently have a Schilke B3 that plays equally as well. My B2 just has enough to blow against to make a difference in the upper range. The F and G pops out easier. _________________ Christian K. Peters
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 9071 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
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Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2023 11:12 am Post subject: Re: Large bore horns |
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ramado24@clarkston.k12.mi wrote: | Does a large bore trumpet make it easier to play high notes? I have a medium bore and it feels snuffy in the upper register. |
amado, I think (unless it just blew right past me) part of your question has been overlooked and that is, simply that if your horn feels stuffy in the upper register, the problem is not with the bore but with you and/or your horn. A large bore will not make playing in the high register easy.
You need to have your horn checked out to make sure it is playing properly, check out the characteristics of the horn (in its optimum state) to make sure that particular make/model does not have a "stuffy" characteristic and, maybe (I don't know your situation/competence) check yourself out with a good superior player or a teacher. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
"I wouldn't play like Wynton Marsalis even if I could play like Wynton Marsalis." Attributed to Chet
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dershem Heavyweight Member
Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 1889 Location: San Diego, CA
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Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2023 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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I've played on a lot of horns, and have always found it's a matter of balance. A larger bore horn can give a lot more depth and texture to the notes, but high register is a matter of balancing the horn and mouthpiece and chops to get the air flow to where the higher registers don't take quite as much effort, or give too much blowback. Some resistance supports the air column enough to resonate, instead of just sucking the air away from you. _________________ BKA! Mic Gillette was my mentor and friend.
Marcinkiewicz Mic G. trumpet, Custom Marcinkiewicz mpc. (Among others)
Marcinkiewicz Rembrandt flugel, Benge 8Z cornet, King 2B, Bach 36, Benge 190, Getzen 3062... many more. All Marc. mouthpieces. |
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