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cheiden Heavyweight Member
Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 8927 Location: Orange County, CA
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2022 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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Aj wrote: | The Yamaha Bobby Shew Jazz and the Yamaha 14B4 are exactly the same mouthpiece. |
When I tried I concluded that they were indeed very similar. I think the throat or backbore may be different. At the time I liked the sound of the Yamaha Shew Jazz but found it a little more taxing. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
Charles J Heiden/So Cal
Bach Strad 180ML43*/43 Bb/Yamaha 731 Flugel/Benge 1X C/Kanstul 920 Picc/Conn 80A Cornet
Bach 3C rim on 1.5C underpart |
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Chadwick Veteran Member
Joined: 04 Oct 2009 Posts: 146 Location: United States
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2022 8:31 am Post subject: |
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Aj wrote: |
Can the drop down list be re sorted in alphabetical order? It is, then it seems to start again. Separating some monette mpcs.
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Great idea! Moved all trumpet listings to a single section and into ABC order. The additions by Vennture Mouthpieces are now denoted with a Ⓥ symbol.
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AndyDavids Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri May 06, 2022 4:45 am Post subject: |
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Very cool! Love the fact you can save as .png- thanks so much!! |
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irith Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri May 06, 2022 10:57 am Post subject: |
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Awesome additions - thanks for providing this resource/rabbit hole _________________ Bach, Schilke, Pickett mostly |
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kristiner Veteran Member
Joined: 01 Oct 2012 Posts: 118 Location: California
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2022 8:13 am Post subject: |
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Thanks so much for your work on this! I use it often to explain things to students. Saves them from having to spend lots of time and money experimenting (like I did), and we can zero in on what works for them very quickly. I appreciate the clarity of the newer scans, too. _________________ Kris Tiner
Professor of Music, Director of Jazz Studies
Bakersfield College
http://kristiner.com |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 9088 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2022 8:58 am Post subject: |
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Kris . . Dude . . how re we going to have a drawer full of mouthpieces if we do that?
BTW, I was married to a Californian who called your city Bikersfield. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
"I wouldn't play like Wynton Marsalis even if I could play like Wynton Marsalis." Attributed to Chet
Yamaha 8310Z Bobby Shew trumpet
Benge 3X Trumpet
Benge 3X Cornet |
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TKSop Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Feb 2014 Posts: 1735 Location: UK
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2022 6:42 am Post subject: |
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kehaulani wrote: | Kris . . Dude . . how re we going to have a drawer full of mouthpieces if we do that?
BTW, I was married to a Californian who called your city Bikersfield. |
More importantly, who am I going to sell my drawer-full to if too many people are educated out of safari |
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Chadwick Veteran Member
Joined: 04 Oct 2009 Posts: 146 Location: United States
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2022 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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A few exciting updates to the comparator thanks to the generous donation of a proud GR player:
- GR 63XES* (T-72 BACKBORE)
- GR 65ES (#1 BACKBORE)
- GR 66MS (#2 BACKBORE)
- GR 67L (#3 BACKBORE)
These donations cover four GR rim sizes, four cup shapes, and four backbores. The above links come with a quick comparison to cups from common mass-market alternatives — the rim contours won’t match; and all four GRs have notably tighter throat entrances than the linked alternatives.
If you're a GR player that wants to get your mouthpiece(s) added to the comparator, you can get it/them scanned by Vennture Mouthpieces. With a very quick turnaround, Vennture Mouthpieces will scan your mouthpiece and send you a file so you can edit your design using their software. Send over that file if you're interested in donating! |
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iiipopes Heavyweight Member
Joined: 29 Jun 2015 Posts: 559
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 4:09 am Post subject: |
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Aj wrote: | Love your work!
It helped confirm a suspicion....
The Yamaha Bobby Shew Jazz and the Yamaha 14B4 are exactly the same mouthpiece. |
And the cup of the Bobby Shew Jazz is also identical to a Bach 3C, but the Shew Jazz has a significantly tighter backbore, instead of the Bach #10, or even the #76. Opinion: the Bach C cup is so shallow it should have the #76 backbore as standard rather than the #10. Compare the traces of the 7D cup, which is also essentially the same depth, just a couple thou narrower. _________________ King Super 20 Trumpet; Sov 921 Cornet
Bach cornet modded to be a 181L clone
Couesnon Flugelhorn and C trumpet |
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BreakFromTheHerd Veteran Member
Joined: 12 Apr 2022 Posts: 147
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 4:25 am Post subject: |
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cheiden wrote: | Aj wrote: | The Yamaha Bobby Shew Jazz and the Yamaha 14B4 are exactly the same mouthpiece. |
When I tried I concluded that they were indeed very similar. I think the throat or backbore may be different. At the time I liked the sound of the Yamaha Shew Jazz but found it a little more taxing. |
I have owned them both. The cups are the same but the rims are different. The high point on the 14B4's rim is closer to the inner edge. As a result, the Shew Jazz was more comfortable for me. I don't know anything about the backbores, but the Shew Jazz was a bit easier above the staff for me. |
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Chadwick Veteran Member
Joined: 04 Oct 2009 Posts: 146 Location: United States
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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2022 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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The trumpet.cloud site is now testing a limited 3D viewer feature using VennCAD-sourced listings that aims to offer an enhanced viewing perspective alongside the traditional 2D experience. Let me know what you think, and reach out directly to report an issue!
https://trumpet.cloud/mpc
3D-enabled mouthpieces will show a rubik’s cube above the respective selector list for supported designs. Rendered 3D files use something close to the original blank where possible. You should also consider downloading VennCAD from their site for advanced 2D/3D viewing capabilities, and to customize your own mouthpiece based on the Ⓥ designs you see in the comparator.
Cheers! ~ Chadwick |
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Riojazz Heavyweight Member
Joined: 25 Dec 2006 Posts: 1020 Location: Mid-Hudson Valley, NY
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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2022 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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The 3D model ability is fun. I will experiment to see if I can get two models shown side by side.
When this shakes out, I hope Trumpet Herald will make a link to it as a sticky post at the top of the Mouthpiece forum. _________________ Matt Finley https://mattfinley.bandcamp.com/releases
Kanstul 1525 w/french, Shires Bb Destino Med & C trumpets, Schilke XA1 cornet, Schilke P5-4 picc, Yamaha soprano sax, Powell flute. Sanborn GR66MS, GR 66CT-Z, & Touvron-D. |
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cbtj51 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Nov 2015 Posts: 735 Location: SE US
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 7:12 am Post subject: |
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Thank you!
Saved to favourites for easy access! More Reeves 41 rimmed views would be extra nice!
Life is Short, find the Joy in it!
Mike _________________ '71 LA Benge 5X Bb
'72 LA Benge D/Eb
'76 Bach CL 229/25A C
‘92 Bach 37 Bb
'98 Getzen 895S Flugelhorn
'00 Bach 184 Cornet
'02 Yamaha 8335RGS
'16 Bach NY 7
'16 XO 1700RS Piccolo
Reeves 41 Rimmed Mouthpieces |
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GillesDeRais Regular Member
Joined: 28 Aug 2022 Posts: 22
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2022 11:53 am Post subject: |
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Is it possible to get Miles Giardinelli scan ? |
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Chadwick Veteran Member
Joined: 04 Oct 2009 Posts: 146 Location: United States
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2022 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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GillesDeRais wrote: | Is it possible to get Miles Giardinelli scan ? |
If someone has an original Miles Giardinelli mouthpiece (not a duplicate), they should get it scanned and donate the drawing. Vennture does great scanning and duplication work, but of course there are other options out there.
Send us the scan if you have it, we will add it to the comparator! |
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SirOtterman New Member
Joined: 15 May 2019 Posts: 2
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:47 am Post subject: |
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Wow! This is really a great tool. Thank you for your work. I've always wondered about how big are the differences between some of bach mouthpieces and now I can see that in great detail.
On another note, did anyone here try to copy the shapes in VennCAD? Just for kicks I wanted to see what I can get out of my old FDM printer and freehanding in VennCAD but it seems that every .STL file I generate is somehow broken and unreadable by my slicer. No mouthpieces for me I guess. |
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GillesDeRais Regular Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2022 9:55 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Chadwick"][quote="GillesDeRais"]Is it possible to get Miles Giardinelli scan ?[/quote]
If someone has an original Miles Giardinelli mouthpiece (not a duplicate), they should get it scanned and donate the drawing. [url=https://vennture.mp]Vennture[/url] does great scanning and duplication work, but of course there are other options out there.
Send us the scan if you have it, we will add it to the comparator![/quote]
Sorry but i don't have one
Why not a duplicate ? |
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Chadwick Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2022 10:27 am Post subject: |
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GillesDeRais wrote: | Why not a duplicate ? |
We would take a scan donation of a duplicate, but we would note it accordingly.
For purposes of authenticity, and given production inconsistencies in the mouthpiece manufacturing and finishing processes, a scan of an “original” is almost always more desirable than a scan of an attempted duplicate of an original. |
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Chadwick Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:38 am Post subject: |
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The trumpet.cloud comparator site now uses basic autocomplete input menus which you can use to quickly narrow down each list and possibly even discover other relevant options.
Example with "3C" input:
The way these lists work and look to you will vary slightly based on browser and device. Some browsers like Chrome and Edge are limited to ~512 entries, so just narrow your search a little if affected.
On mobile, you might need to tap the downward-facing triangle/arrow on the right of the mouthpiece selector list to reveal the available options. Click/tap the ⓧ button to clear the input field and begin typing your next entry.
Try it here: https://trumpet.cloud/mpc
Reach out with any issues. Thanks for reading -- enjoy! |
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TKSop Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Feb 2014 Posts: 1735 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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Chadwick wrote: | The trumpet.cloud comparator site now uses basic autocomplete input menus which you can use to quickly narrow down each list and possibly even discover other relevant options.
Example with "3C" input:
The way these lists work and look to you will vary slightly based on browser and device. Some browsers like Chrome and Edge are limited to ~512 entries, so just narrow your search a little if affected.
On mobile, you might need to tap the downward-facing triangle/arrow on the right of the mouthpiece selector list to reveal the available options. Click/tap the ⓧ button to clear the input field and begin typing your next entry.
Try it here: https://trumpet.cloud/mpc
Reach out with any issues. Thanks for reading -- enjoy! |
There's a slight bug on mobile (mine at least) at the moment...
Whilst the search/autocomplete lets me find things I know are there, the actual list stops at Jettone Doc Severinsen - beyond that only the search function will find.
Could just be my device or could be a genuine problem.
Either way, love the updates and continued availability of this valuable resource. |
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