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trumpethead Veteran Member
Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 444 Location: Australia
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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Having decades of experience as a Pro player (and trying new horns out recently just for the hell of it), I've come to the conclusion that the term 'Student Model' is really irrelevant, as long as the mechanics of the horn are all sound.
After playing every brand of trumpet I could get my hands on (major and boutique), some of the best performing for me were indeed student model instruments.
My choices:
Besson/Kanstul 609
Jupiter 606ML
If you can afford a so-called Pro horn and it makes you feel better then go for it, but for my mind, a student or yourself could play just as well on each of the two listed trumpets above, and no doubt many other makes too.
My very first trumpet was some piece of Chinese crap that should be considered abominable on every count, but that's all my mother could afford at the time, and it certainly started me off as a player.
I certainly wouldn't recommend a lot of the Chinese made horns, but I have played some which are fantastic - worth nothing as a trade-in, but for $200/300, they'll certainly do the job well.
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JeffM729 Veteran Member
Joined: 27 Dec 2004 Posts: 443 Location: Parrish, FL
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Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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VetPsychWars wrote: | Crazy Finn wrote: | Right - I forgot what the question was - best student models of all time. |
What I'm curious about... there was a time when there were no "student models". I have a Buescher catalog from 1939ish and it has prices. The top-of-the-line "The 400" was $130.00 in lacquer ($1900 today) and the entry-level "Aristocrat" in lacquer was $95.00 ($1400 today). The mid-priced horn, the "Custom Built" was $115.00 (clearly about $1700 today)
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There were student horns back in the those days. For instance, Conn didn't sell a student horn, but they made them. They were sold under the names Pan American and Cavalier. Plus they also made stencil horns to be sold in music stores and catalogs.
It was considered unwise to make a low quality instrument as it would detract from the brand. Once the student market exploded in the 1950's and the demand for professional trumpets diminished after the big band era died off, companies then branded their student horns with their pro labels. _________________ Bach Strad 72*
Carolbrass G-Bb Trumpet
King Silver Sonic Cornet
Getzen 896S 4 valve Flugelhorn
Getzen 940S Piccolo
Getzen Elkhorn valve/slide Trombone
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F.E. Olds Nut Veteran Member
Joined: 15 Mar 2010 Posts: 343 Location: Detroit
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Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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My choices (in order):
Olds Ambassadors (Preferably from the LA to early Fullerton era)
-Great valves, great sound and built like a tank
Yamaha 2335s
-Possibly one of the most consistent and best student horns made within the bast 15 years
Kanstul/F. Besson 609
-High quality construction out of Ziggy Kanstul's shop, great sound, and can be found for great prices.
Getzen 300s
-Getzen valves, easy blow and nice, full sound
Bach TR300s
-Nice sound, common as dirt, although not the most consistent horns ever made _________________ Del Quadro "The Mother" |
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melodies4ever New Member
Joined: 01 Mar 2012 Posts: 5
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Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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The top five student trumpet would be:
1. Getzen 390
2. Besson 609
3. Reynolds Medalist
4. Olds Ambassador
5. Holton Collegiate _________________ 18014wis |
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plankowner110 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 12 Jun 2003 Posts: 3622
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Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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Based on my teaching career experience, my top five list includes those trumpet brands which demonstrated the least number of problems with sticky pistons, ill-fitted slides, or cheap construction.
Not ranked in any particular order:
King 600 or 601
Olds Ambassador
Getzen 390
Holton Collegiate
Conn Director (older models) _________________ C. G. Conn 60B Super Connstellation
Getzen 800S Eterna cornet
Bach 5C (Jens Lindemann is right)
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rockford Heavyweight Member
Joined: 03 Aug 2007 Posts: 2477 Location: Northern VA
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Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:15 am Post subject: |
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Yamaha 2335-the modern day Olds Ambassador
Olds Ambassador-after 30 plus years these instruments have survived multiple students and still play well as long as they are not abused.
King-sounds good and durable. The only minor drawback is the internal valve numbers are located in many different positions so students need to know their individual instrument when lining up the valves after cleaning/oiling. Not a big deal.
No further preference _________________ Bill Siegfried
NY/Mt. Vernon Bach trumpets. Yamaha flugelhorn and piccolo A/Bb, Monette and Hammond mouthpieces. Fender and Peavey Cirrus Bass Guitars. Ampeg and Genz-Benz amps. Embraer 170/175/190. |
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chuck in ny Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Sep 2006 Posts: 3601 Location: New York
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Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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i am completely discouraged with the used pro horn market as there don't seem to be reasonably priced examples anymore. everything is high. then you are faced with paying the amount for something old and used rather than putting the rest of the cash up for new goods.
new trumpet prices have been going up but not at the rate of the used making buying used much less attractive. everyone thinks they have gold. it's bad enough to see the $1000. dogs on ebay. then you have the $1200. dogs because, well, i couldn't say why.
too much automatic and instantaneous price fixing has gone on in the auctions. that might be fine for the buyer fixated on a bach and that price tier. those wise enough will bypass used for the kanstul 700 and the getzens. considering the late date and economic situation our factories have done us a great service by holding the line on price for the basic models.
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jackkok New Member
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Tony Scodwell Heavyweight Member
Joined: 17 Oct 2005 Posts: 1965
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Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 8:54 am Post subject: Good student trumpets |
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Kessler and Sons Music has a fantastic trumpet under $1K which I had input into the design. Fit and finish is superb and each gets play tested before delivery to insure it checks all the boxes. Their website will answer any questions about the student and pro models offered.
Tony Scodwell
www.scodwellusa.com |
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